10 Most Untouchable High School T & F Records

cowsandmilk wrote:

When I ran against Alan Webb in high school, it seemed apparent there were kids moving to go to school at South Lakes to run with him on things like the 4x800. You could have a hs talent that attracts a 4xmile team around him.

wow, that's a silly assumption to make. i was on that team, and not a single person moved to get on our team. every single one of our top runners (and not just the top guys on our stacked 4x800 and DMR, but all of our faster guys below that) was at south lakes since freshman year. And if you want specifics, our top 4 800 runners that ran on the 4x800 were Alan, Richard Smith, Kanda Karmo, and Yonathan Kebede. As I already stated, they all went to South Lakes all 4 years. I think we once had a good runner transfer in his sophomore year (not because of Alan), but he was a 2:00-2:02 guy, and i think he didn't even run in 2001.

7'7" might stick around for a few years.

BTW, Carter was doping in HS.

10,000 32:52.5 Mary Shea (Gibbons, Raleigh, North Carolina) Walnut, California 6/15/79

It has stood for almost 32 years.

Long Standing Record wrote:

10,000 32:52.5 Mary Shea (Gibbons, Raleigh, North Carolina) Walnut, California 6/15/79

It has stood for almost 32 years.

Or how about Lynn Bjorklund's 3000 recored (9:08) going back to 1975?! I know the 3000 isn't run that often in HS and Mortensen's 9:48 is basically the same, but considering where girls' sports were in '75, Bjorklund's still standing record is damn impressive.

Old Miler wrote:

What about Jim Ryun's 3:58.3 mile in a pure high school race?

A great performance, but German ran 4:00 (1600m) after prelims AND a 8:36 the day prior, so I don't know if its untouchable given that people on here are dogging German. In my opinion the Lindgren's 8:40i has to be one of the most untouchable given its longevity, same with Chapa's 10k. But distance gets no love.

deraylicious wrote:

Old Miler wrote:

What about Jim Ryun's 3:58.3 mile in a pure high school race?

A great performance, but German ran 4:00 (1600m) after prelims AND a 8:36 the day prior, so I don't know if its untouchable given that people on here are dogging German. In my opinion the Lindgren's 8:40i has to be one of the most untouchable given its longevity, same with Chapa's 10k. But distance gets no love.

Note: German ran 4:00 and 8:34 the SAME day...about 3hr apart if I remember correctly. Absolutely one of the best HS distance performances ever.

I was thrilled to see two young california distance studs run exceptionally well last weekend in the 5k (moussa, 14:13; pons, 14:16) and thought about how they will probably run low 8:40s in the 3200 in a couple months.

as great as that will be, i am reminded (from this thread) of the distance god, rudy chapa, who put together two back-to-back 14:16 5ks with his amazing and untouchable 28:32 10k effort dating back to 1976!

as previously mentioned, i thought michael carter's shot put heave would never go down. i think it's in serious jeopardy this year.

chapa's mark will remain for quite awhile...

Indeed, and for the most part that's the trend I see as well... hurdles being the exception (though maybe I'm wrong on how the hurdles compare to the other events)

The longer the race, the more things that can go wrong and the less "perfect" the race is probably going to be; the more common events are going to be stronger, in general, than the less common events; the shorter events are going to be stronger because they have a higher rate of participation, etc.

Wrong, so Wrong wrote:

watchout wrote:

and the 10 weakest:

1. Girls 4xMile (19:56.75 - Suffern NY)

2. Girls 4x800m (8:43.12 - Roosevelt MD)

3. Boys 4xMile (17:06.6 - South Eugene OR)

4. Boys 4x800m (7:30.67 - Albemarle VA)

5. Girls Mile (4:34.9c - Jordan Hasay, CA)

6. Girls 2 Mile (9:52.1c - Kim Mortensen, CA)

7. Boys 800m (1:46.45 - Michael Granville, CA)

Granville's are one of the tougher ones. On the other hand, German Fernandez's 3200m/2M records are the weakest on books, and the first national high school records likely to fall.

Granville's mark averages 55.225 seconds per lap... that's over 8.5 seconds per lap slower than the 400m.

Fernandez's mark averages ~69.93 per lap.

3200m -> 800m pace is usually around 82.325%. The difference between the NRs is ~83.2586% ... and especially given that it's a longer race (more chances for things to go less than perfectly), that is more impressive.

watchout wrote:

Granville's mark averages 55.225 seconds per lap... that's over 8.5 seconds per lap slower than the 400m.

Well, when comparing the 400 to the 800, how do we know that the 800 is necessarily weak, maybe the 400 is just that strong. I mean let's seriously look at this 44.69. Robinson ran it in 1982, and 28 years later he still would have been the 5th fastest guy in the world in 2010.

I guess for comparison I should say where the other records would place people in 2010 in the world:

10.01 - tied for 18th

20.13 - 11th

44.69 - 5th

1:46.45 - 74th (if I counted right)

3:36.14 (Webb's 3:53 divided by 1.08) - 55th

7:59.83 - not even on the IAAF list

13:37.91 - not even on the IAAF list

28:32.7 - really far down the list, not bothering to count that high any more

13.74 (international hurdles) - really far down the list

49.38 - tied for 32nd

HJ 2.31 - tied for 7th

PV 5.56 - 42nd

TJ 16.72 - 54th

LJ 8.18 - 22nd

20.65 (international shot) - tied for 17th

61.38 (international disc) - pretty far down

7466A (international decathlon) -

perjorative wrote:

watchout wrote:

Granville's mark averages 55.225 seconds per lap... that's over 8.5 seconds per lap slower than the 400m.

Well, when comparing the 400 to the 800, how do we know that the 800 is necessarily weak, maybe the 400 is just that strong. I mean let's seriously look at this 44.69. Robinson ran it in 1982, and 28 years later he still would have been the 5th fastest guy in the world in 2010.

That's why I included another comparison: 800m vs. 2 mile (which the poster I was quoting said was weak). if the 800m is weaker than a "weak" 2 mile, wouldn't that also make it weak?

I agree, Robinson's 400m record is pretty strong. That's why it was included among the 15 best ;)

International decathlon - way down there

watchout wrote:

Granville's mark averages 55.225 seconds per lap...

Well, I would guess 53.225 would be closer to the truth...

Hold the phone! High School athletes are less competitive against open athletes as the distance goes up and a larger lifetime base of endurance is required?!?!I am SHOCKED.

perjorative wrote:

I guess for comparison I should say where the other records would place people in 2010 in the world:

10.01 - tied for 18th

20.13 - 11th

44.69 - 5th

1:46.45 - 74th (if I counted right)

3:36.14 (Webb's 3:53 divided by 1.08) - 55th

7:59.83 - not even on the IAAF list

13:37.91 - not even on the IAAF list

28:32.7 - really far down the list, not bothering to count that high any more

13.74 (international hurdles) - really far down the list

49.38 - tied for 32nd

HJ 2.31 - tied for 7th

PV 5.56 - 42nd

TJ 16.72 - 54th

LJ 8.18 - 22nd

20.65 (international shot) - tied for 17th

61.38 (international disc) - pretty far down

7466A (international decathlon) -

watchout wrote:

Wrong, so Wrong wrote:

Granville's are one of the tougher ones. On the other hand, German Fernandez's 3200m/2M records are the weakest on books, and the first national high school records likely to fall.

Granville's mark averages 55.225 seconds per lap... that's over 8.5 seconds per lap slower than the 400m.

Fernandez's mark averages ~69.93 per lap.

3200m -> 800m pace is usually around 82.325%. The difference between the NRs is ~83.2586% ... and especially given that it's a longer race (more chances for things to go less than perfectly), that is more impressive.

55.225 and 69.93? Its amazing someone broke 1:50 with their average split being over 55... literally impossible! And 69.93 would give you about 9:19 for 3200. he ran the equivalent of about 8:31. hmmmmmm

How can the girls' 800m be one of the weakest?

I am not sure it this is top ten worthy, but Brent Steiner from Overland Park, Kansas who attended Shawnee Mission South high school ran an 8:43 3200. Also, his teammate Steve Smith ran a 4:05 1600. Steiner was also the first ever footlocker cross country champion. Back then it was called Kinney nationals.

I just think they go unnoticed.

952 league wrote:

I am not sure it this is top ten worthy, but Brent Steiner from Overland Park, Kansas who attended Shawnee Mission South high school ran an 8:43 3200. Also, his teammate Steve Smith ran a 4:05 1600. Steiner was also the first ever footlocker cross country champion. Back then it was called Kinney nationals.

I just think they go unnoticed.

Not only is it not top 10 worthy, it's not mention worthy. This thread is about which of the current HS records is most untouchable. Steiner is not a record holder.