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Well, it is a race where the teams are trying to win the team title and most of those in the final are likely to be involved with running other events (or having their teammates do so). In such a case, you want to expend as few resources as possible in a race.
If a team had a possible scorer here with no more likelihood of points from that runner, it might be a good strategy to make him go hard for much of the race and force a pace that would tire competitors for other events, such as the 3000.
You be the coach and look at the potential field and see how you would play the strategy for each team.
Big 10 mile is always tactical. Some guys are capable of sub 4 but nobody will go sub 4. Winning time will be 4:04 closing the last 800 in 1:55.
Always one of the most pathetic races of the year. 4:24 and they will go out in 2:30.
26mi235 wrote:
Well, it is a race where the teams are trying to win the team title and most of those in the final are likely to be involved with running other events (or having their teammates do so). In such a case, you want to expend as few resources as possible in a race.
If a team had a possible scorer here with no more likelihood of points from that runner, it might be a good strategy to make him go hard for much of the race and force a pace that would tire competitors for other events, such as the 3000.
You be the coach and look at the potential field and see how you would play the strategy for each team.
I like this thinking. I would kind of like to see a coach send one of his 4:1x guys out around 60 sec. pace in the prelims to try to force the hands of the faster guys. It probably wouldn't affect the mile results much, but it could really screw with the other events 800 and up.
The Gophers did that last year in the prelims. One of the heats had four Minnesota guys (including Blankenship and Richardson) in it plus Craig Miller and another one of the really fast guys so Sean Olson and Paul Hilsen took the race out hard in order to force the others to work (and probably also to try to get the time qualifiers to come out of that heat). It ended up working as three U of M guys qualified for the final and Miller was worn out to the point where he didn't even score in the 3K despite being the #1 seed.
haha YO wrote:
Always one of the most pathetic races of the year. 4:24 and they will go out in 2:30.
Agree.
4:09, closing in 1:56ish
4:43, going out in 2:54
it hasn't been as slow recently as when the Jefferson's and several others would be in the race. I would say aroun 4:19-20 going out around 68-70, and 2:20. should close around 53-54, maybe faster.
Remember it is a flat oval, adding a good 0.5 per lap to quick laps.
I'd say 3:52, perfectly evenly paced.
You guys don't remember like two years ago it was won in like 3:58-4:01? It's historically slow, but it's not always that slow. Justin Switzer was the only one with balls to call everyone out on their sit and kick racing and just run away completely.
4:36
A typical Big Ten Flat 200m Track battle......4:12
Facts are a bitch.
2007:
Finals
1 See, Jeff Ohio State 4:04.16 10
2 Miller, Craig Wisconsin 4:04.27 8
3 Bolas, John Wisconsin 4:06.25 6
4 Bethke, Brandon Wisconsin 4:06.32 5
5 Switzer, Justin Michigan 4:06.71 4
6 Rombough, Chris Minnesota 4:08.78 3
7 Gasper, Ryan Wisconsin 4:09.71 2
8 Richardson, Jared Illinois 4:10.39 1
9 Pancoast, Jim Mich State 4:15.18
2008:
Finals
1 See, Jeff JR Ohio State 4:22.21 10
2 Jager, Evan FR Wisconsin 4:22.54 8
3 Miller, Craig SO Wisconsin 4:23.65 6
4 Gasper, Ryan SO Wisconsin 4:23.99 5
5 Bolas, Jack SO Wisconsin 4:24.25 4
6 Borchers, Sam FR Penn State 4:24.85 3
7 Knoll, Shane JR Michigan State 4:24.98 2
8 Weatherford, Andy FR Indiana 4:25.39 1
9 VanOrsdel, David SR Minnesota 4:28.59
2009:
Finals
1 Switzer, Justin SR Michigan 4:02.60P 10
2 McNamara, Sean JR Michigan 4:03.47P 8
3 Knoll, Shane SR M S U 4:03.75P 6
4 Blankenship, Ben SO Minnesota 4:04.43 5
5 Borchers, Samuel SO P S U 4:04.44 4
6 Hubers, Ben FR Indiana 4:04.59 3
7 Johnson, Tim SR P S U 4:06.29 2
8 Weatherford, Andy SO Indiana 4:07.74 1
9 Gasper, Ryan JR Wisconsin 4:17.49
2010:
Finals
1 Blankenship, Ben SO Minnesota 4:05.64
2 Bayer, Andrew FR Indiana 4:05.91
3 See, Jeff SR Ohio State 4:06.39
4 Miller, Craig SR Wisconsin 4:06.42
5 Bolas, Jack SR Wisconsin 4:07.35
6 Thode, Jeff FR Iowa 4:09.19
7 Richardson, Andy SO Minnesota 4:12.17
8 Hilsen, Paul SO Minnesota 4:13.04
9 Turner, De'Sean JR Indiana 4:13.06
fdjjkre wrote:
2009:
Finals
1 Switzer, Justin SR Michigan 4:02.60P 10
2 McNamara, Sean JR Michigan 4:03.47P 8
3 Knoll, Shane SR M S U 4:03.75P 6
4 Blankenship, Ben SO Minnesota 4:04.43 5
5 Borchers, Samuel SO P S U 4:04.44 4
6 Hubers, Ben FR Indiana 4:04.59 3
7 Johnson, Tim SR P S U 4:06.29 2
8 Weatherford, Andy SO Indiana 4:07.74 1
9 Gasper, Ryan JR Wisconsin 4:17.49
That's the one I was talking about. Gets play on the big 10 network every once in a while. Switzer just takes off from the beginning and leads wire to wire. Everyone else struggled with the surprise and effort to play catch up the last 400.
It was also at the Penn State track. Considerably nicer than the other facilities
4:03.27 - crazy blanket finish
I hope Indiana just gets a guy to take it out in 2:00. Then Leslie from Ohio State can sit in second and win in the last 200.
Why would those guys mess around. To go out slow indoors and have to fight for position seems so much more stressful than just making it a fast race. That narrows it down to 3 and if I was a coach I'd be more comfortable with my guy losing a couple points by making it fast and getting caught then getting boxed or tripped running 70 second laps and finishing 8th when he's run sub 4:00.