Salazar’s Group Separates From The OTC

PBR is awesome wrote:

Good, now Salazar can stop stealing credit from people doing well in Jerry's group and maybe go have a PBR at the local pub.

If I were at a local pub in the Pacific Northwest, the last thing I would be drinking is a PBR. Get me an Avatar Jasmine IPA from Elysian Brewing Company. (no really, get me one because I do not live in the Pacific Northwest. mail it to me or something plz.)

I think you are spot on about Magness. Go back and look at his training log from high school when he ran his best 15/mile. Nearly every day was a double (7 and 7) at a solid pace. There's no secret there.

Once he started looking for gimmicks to make the next step, he bollixed everything.

PBR is awesome wrote:

Good, now Salazar can stop stealing credit from people doing well in Jerry's group and maybe go have a PBR at the local pub.

Funny you say that? Portland... Such a weird place??? It's fashionable to drink a PBR at a bar.

Yes, weird as can be. Please don't come here.

aerodynamic interlude wrote:

I think it's good to push each other to new heights in practice. as long as a coach(es) keeps a reign on them to keep from racing in practice, I see nothing but positive. Look at the Kenyan training groups, ethiopian training groups, the Arkansas teams of the 80s/90s, the old moroccans, how about the old Kim mcdonald group- komen, Kennedy, etc? Being selfish or secretive or whatever the instigating driving force is, does nothing but stifle these athletes from making greater breakthroughs. Obviously, that's all just my opinion.

The kenyans don't ALL train together. (see Canova on this and the drawbacks of training under the Kenyan camps all together).

The Ethiopians have a different mindset, and nothing says that they ALL train together either - some may but not all of them.

The Arkansas guys did well, but so have other College programs (Villanova/Oregon in their day). That's just part of the College scene, but doesn't make it the "right" way to do things.

As Malmo says, pushing is one thing, but having EVERYONE in the same group (as the one poster suggested) is a recipe for disaster. Rupp and Farah may work well since they compete for different countries (much like Kim McDonald with Komen/Kennedy). The Brits in the '80's all trained separately yet managed to win Olympic medals and break world records - it can be done. That was feeding OFF each other, and shows that there are different ways to achieve success as well. Mamede and Lopes were among the best 10000m runners in the early 1980's, had the same coach but (according to posts by Antonio Cabral) had different training programs and rarely did the same workout together as CL was a ST runner and FM a FT one.

The attitude that ALL the best runners should train together is really an immature understanding of individual development. Shorter and Rodgers were different types of runners who benefitted from their own training situations, but would likely have had problems doing everything together. The Wisco guys have come under Jerry from the College scene, it will be interesting to see what happens if/when others join from other programs and how easy it would be to mesh with current athletes. Easy to take on the women (Flanagan and Koll) as this is all new to Jerry, and Flanagan is already proven (under Cook), so that isn't such a stretch.

malmo wrote:

2003 3:43.87+ 12 Pre Eugene OR 24 May

2004 3:46.94 10rC Cardinal Stanford CA 30 Apr

2005 3:51.07 2 RunSport Houston TX 30 Apr

2006 3:47.88 1 Dogwood Nacogdoches TX 14 Apr

2007 3:47.26 14r7 MSR Walnut CA 13 Apr

2008 3:47.08 6r1 Bush Eagle Rock CA 7 Jun

Geez, I feel bad for this guy..

PBR is awesome wrote:

Good, now Salazar can stop stealing credit from people doing well in Jerry's group and maybe go have a PBR at the local pub.

Sometimes I wonder if the concrete runners and clive respect the marathon and pbr are all the same obsessive compulsive.

The most logical reason to seperate the two, is so that Jerry really is running the group. It surely can get confusin got some when they all wear the same jersey, and have the same track club name. It's like Jerry is in charge, but Al is running half the team. Now Jerry is really running the entire team, and Salazar's group is distinctly different.

He's doing the right thing and giving Jerry his opportunity to do his thing.

Funny all the talk about Rupp and his training partners. He and Webb have basically done much of the same work over the past 2 months. At least in terms of workouts. Mo's arrival eventually may be a help to Galen but right now his shadow is Webb.

I also find it strange that Alberto has Galen flying to Birmingham and racing last Saturday and then heading Down Under and then when earthquake hits sending Galen out to run at US Indoor nationals in a otherwise meaningless 3k. Flying around the world must have some sort of physiological benefit in one of his off-beat theories. Of course if Rupp struggles he has a built in excuse but the stress may result in a real immune system breakdown that leads to some long term illness we soon hear described by Alberto on trackfocus.com. Stay tuned but has any other runner every flown around the world in less than a week and then raced 2 times in a week's period?

It probably an ego thing. Another way for Salazar to get in the paper or get another interview somewhere. Schumacher seems to be more about just coaching and staying out of everything else. Leaving the spotlight for the athletes.

Inside scoop wrote:

Stay tuned but has any other runner every flown around the world in less than a week and then raced 2 times in a week's period?

Collis Birmingham did in 2009. Melbourne to Amman, raced World Cross Country 12km on March 28, back to Melbourne, and then to Southern California for the Carlsbad 5000 on April 5. That's about 25,000 miles for races eight days apart. I'm sure there are other examples.

do Rupp, AlSal, etal have the keys to a Nike jet or do they serach out deals on Hotwire? international travel for them may not include the same body search we endure

I believe Nike covers travel.

Any medals, major or minor ?

Kara Goucher - 2007 World Championships Bronze 10,000m, 3rd place 2008 NYC Marathon, 3rd 2009 Boston Marathon (not championships I realize, but still major races)

Dathan Ritzenhein - 2009 World Championships Bronze Half Marathon

So they have 2 medals on Alberto's side.

My take on it wrote:

Kara Goucher - 2007 World Championships Bronze 10,000m, 3rd place 2008 NYC Marathon, 3rd 2009 Boston Marathon (not championships I realize, but still major races)

Dathan Ritzenhein - 2009 World Championships Bronze Half Marathon

So they have 2 medals on Alberto's side.

and ritz has a world junior xc bronze.

salazar has a world xc silver, in addition to his wins at the boston and new york marathons.

i expect a lot more medals from this group are on the way for this group and the new runners they will be getting in the next 10-15 years.

i think when he starts running marathons rupp will be like gharib solid and consistent always in the top 3 with a few major wins, for over a decade.

I was only including medals since joining with Salazar. Agree about Rupp.

I think the reclaimed Oregon Project ID is great for several reasons. Having the Eugene group and both Portland groups all wearing OTC colors was confusing and a watering down of each group's unique identities.

Next, Jerry's group ought to get it's own singlet.

This being said, this recent separation was not a marketing decision but reflects a certain amount of animosity between the two Portland groups. This does NOT extend to the athletes but is between the principals and as time goes by is solidifying.

"The kenyans don't ALL train together. (see Canova on this and the drawbacks of training under the Kenyan camps all together).

The Ethiopians have a different mindset, and nothing says that they ALL train together either - some may but not all of them.

The Arkansas guys did well, but so have other College programs (Villanova/Oregon in their day). That's just part of the College scene, but doesn't make it the "right" way to do things.

As Malmo says, pushing is one thing, but having EVERYONE in the same group (as the one poster suggested) is a recipe for disaster. Rupp and Farah may work well since they compete for different countries (much like Kim McDonald with Komen/Kennedy). The Brits in the '80's all trained separately yet managed to win Olympic medals and break world records - it can be done. That was feeding OFF each other, and shows that there are different ways to achieve success as well. Mamede and Lopes were among the best 10000m runners in the early 1980's, had the same coach but (according to posts by Antonio Cabral) had different training programs and rarely did the same workout together as CL was a ST runner and FM a FT one.

The attitude that ALL the best runners should train together is really an immature understanding of individual development. Shorter and Rodgers were different types of runners who benefitted from their own training situations, but would likely have had problems doing everything together. The Wisco guys have come under Jerry from the College scene, it will be interesting to see what happens if/when others join from other programs and how easy it would be to mesh with current athletes. Easy to take on the women (Flanagan and Koll) as this is all new to Jerry, and Flanagan is already proven (under Cook), so that isn't such a stretch."

-you've got your mind made up. No matter what is said, you will attempt to rationalize or refute it. I completely respect your opinion. However, if you look at the Kenyan training groups (the 3 in iten, the loose one in Nairobi, and the main one in eldoret), you will see exactly what I'm referring to. These guys get together and rise to great heights. Further, there is a whole stable of Ethiopians that train together with bekele or haile (not together with both, however, though occasionally). How do I know this? Because I've seen it with my own eyes. Look at the enclave with steve and the boys- though holman did a fair amount of his running solo. Look at the aforementioned hogs. Look at el gerrouj's old group- this is where ramzi, drugs or not, rose from. Iron sharpens iron. Again, I respect your personal opinion on a subject, but find it highly disrespectful when you refer to my "immature understanding". I think you'd be shocked

to know who I am. That's the beauty of an anonymous message board, however. Unfortunately, after having seen it all and done it all, I see so much false information and completely ridiculous comments on this board,

that sometimes it is hard to stomach. You seem knowledgeable, and I'm sure you would agree.