There is an article somewhere where it points out that Salazar recruited Jerry to the program along with his group of Wisco runners. I think we might be thinking too much into this seperation...and that there really is still a common goal for which they both work to attain....and that is to revive American distance runnign to a consistent world level scale.
Didn't salazar have 2 heart attacks by age 50? Its time for him to give it up- completely. I know Magness takes some strain off but 2 MIs by age 50 is really very serious.
Heard through the grapevine wrote:
It doesn't necessarily mean bad blood between Alberto and Jerry but maybe they're just not quite as aligned as before.
They had separate groups of athletes and their own way of coaching them all this time though, so I don't seeing that as being a good reason to split.
txRUNNERgirl wrote:
My take on it wrote:Good. It was stupid pretending it was 1 team up in Portland. Glad they went back to the Oregon Project.
I thought Schumacher was in Portland too?
Who said Schumacher was not in Portland? My issue was that they had two distinct teams, Salazar's crew and Schumacher's. Two groups, two coaches, two very different workouts, yet they competed under the same team name. It didn't make any sense. Hopefully either Jerry's group or the Eugene group (very unlikely) will change names as well.
I doubt this is the reason, but maybe its a way to draw more attention to the sport, IE, trying to create different teams of stars to compete against each other
That's what I think it is. Otherwise it is just the OTC competing against itself, which is boring.
I can't imagine either team being banished from Nike HQ so they'll probably still train around each other all the time.
Maybe not though -- imagine a big fight, a turf war over the Nike track. Yelling "Get out of here, this is OUR turf!" at each other and throwing rocks. The dominant team will get to stay at Nike and the other will have to go run at Beaverton high's track.
mxhdhyjsfh wrote:
"His runners are once again wearing the all-black Oregon Project jerseys."
Hurrah, Rupp does best when wearing black, NCAA XC Champ, the legendary Triple at Indoors, and his 13:11 AR now.
And furthermore, the all black with the simple logo looks way better.
The Stache wrote:
It just occurred to me that those quotes are all related.
Al Sal loves his gadgets and messing with people's stride. Jerry's training has always seemed very old school - the secret is there is no secret kind of thing. In this way, Al Sal and Jerry don't really match up. Magness on the other hand matches up well with Al Sal.
You're right on the mark here, but once again, in the Nike world, where is the grownup supervision?
The gadget obsession is a weakness, not a strength. Building a team with like-minded people with the same weaknesses is foolish. The mantra of all successful organizations is "exploits your strengths, mitigate your weaknesses." Assemble a team with complementary strengths.
For as long as I can remember, Alberto has always had a weakness for gimmicks and fads. Heck, he even once sold his interest in a restaurant so that he could go on a pilgrimage to Yugoslavia because some teenage pranksters said they saw an apparition of the Virgin Mary on a pizza box.
But if you ever talk to him directly about the gimmicks he quickly changes the subject to what he does right - and it's straightforward roll up your sleeves get to work training. There's nothing new there.
The last person that Alberto needs is Magness. Here is an obsessive running geek who ran a 4:01 mile in high school, who struggled for years never to come close to that again, running closer to 4:10 miles than 4:01, and really struggling to hit 3:47s. Magness was a kid you had to root for, if not just to get the monkey off his back, he was like Wile E Coyote of running chasing the Roadrunner (his own 4:01 from hs). No matter what, he was going to blow himself up with that Acme time bomb, or get smashed on the head by that Acme anvil, or some other Acme gimmick.
Even a broken clock get's it right twice a day. In 5 years, Magness has never got it right even once. Judging by the tautological fog that is written on his website, it's not difficult to figure who is responsible for his consistent pattern of failure.
2003 3:43.87+ 12 Pre Eugene OR 24 May
2004 3:46.94 10rC Cardinal Stanford CA 30 Apr
2005 3:51.07 2 RunSport Houston TX 30 Apr
2006 3:47.88 1 Dogwood Nacogdoches TX 14 Apr
2007 3:47.26 14r7 MSR Walnut CA 13 Apr
2008 3:47.08 6r1 Bush Eagle Rock CA 7 Jun
Heard through the grapevine wrote:
Maybe not though -- imagine a big fight, a turf war over the Nike track. Yelling "Get out of here, this is OUR turf!" at each other and throwing rocks. The dominant team will get to stay at Nike and the other will have to go run at Beaverton high's track.
Kind of like when the NWO split from the WWF. Hulk Hogan joined the NWO and went villain in the all black.
that team does not inspire confidence
looks like dead weight on paper
Are they moving to So Cal like they always talk about ?
what a pity to have the all 4 of the best americans at 5k (rupp, ritz, teg, solinsky) living in the same general vicinity, and not all training together. why bring in farah for rupp and 10k? solinsky is right down the road!
North San Diego would be a better fit for them.
aerodynamic interlude wrote:
what a pity to have the all 4 of the best americans at 5k (rupp, ritz, teg, solinsky) living in the same general vicinity, and not all training together. why bring in farah for rupp and 10k? solinsky is right down the road!
Why do you think that having them all train together would be a good thing? The best situation would be to feed off of each other in training, not feed ON each other.
pre841 wrote:
Heard through the grapevine wrote:Maybe not though -- imagine a big fight, a turf war over the Nike track. Yelling "Get out of here, this is OUR turf!" at each other and throwing rocks. The dominant team will get to stay at Nike and the other will have to go run at Beaverton high's track.
Kind of like when the NWO split from the WWF. Hulk Hogan joined the NWO and went villain in the all black.
nWo was in WCW.
Can we define our terms - what exactly differentiates "feeding off" from "feeding on"?
ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE!!!!! wrote:
pre841 wrote:Kind of like when the NWO split from the WWF. Hulk Hogan joined the NWO and went villain in the all black.
nWo was in WCW.
My sincerest apologies. Growing old has definitely decreased my knowledge of wrestling's splinter groups.
Easy. One is constructive and one is destructive.
When you're feeding off you are pushing yourself to do better.
When you're feeding on you're trying to push those around you into the ground.