How close to each other are the Schumacher group and the Salazar group?

They occasionally do sleep-overs at one another's altitude houses and sometimes skinny dip in side by side underwater treadmills.

Is that close enough for you?

Think Tim Nelson is also coached by Schumacher.

They don't seem close at all. I have never heard or read one of the athletes in either group explicitly mention that they had gone for a run with an athlete in the other group.

solinsky does a lot of milage with nelson and bairu, he said he ran a lot with them in their marathon prep.

A Bumbalough = Schumacher

I thought K Goucher and Flanagan have run together before?

they are in a way competing teams, but i am sure they are civil if they meet at a party, store etc. they wont fight, kara goucher and shalane flanagan did as a joke have a verbal fight in the media, where they said things like i am better looking than her etc. that was a joke. individuals of the separate groups run together, but it is rare as they have different schedules.

as for the ????? marks after adam gouchers name, i am sure he is still in the salazar group and he will be as long as his wife is, though he does not seem to race anymore, he did say he wanted to win the olympic trials marathon, so he can stick out his middle finger as he crosses the finish line as a way to get back at the letsrun posters who have been bashing him and saying he is washed up.

personally i hope he wins the trials marathon to see him do that. i would also like to see him win the olympics and make the same gesture with billions of people watching that would be funny, and to make it better i would have him carry the flag for the USA in the closing ceromony, that would be hilarious, imagine the reactions worldwide.

not that i think he could win these races, but it would be funny.

I recall Rupp saying that every once in awhile he would train with a runner from the Schumacher group. But yeah, in general it seems they are very much separate. When Salazar was interviewed right after Solinsky's 26:59 last May he admitted that he was surprised by Solinsky's performance. Of course both JS and CS themselves didn't really know how he would do then. But reading about the workouts CS was doing leading up to the race I have to think JS had at least a strong hunch of what CS was capable of. Apparently AS was out of the loop on it.

bobby e. wrote:

They don't seem close at all. I have never heard or read one of the athletes in either group explicitly mention that they had gone for a run with an athlete in the other group.

lomong is with jerry

I was under the impression Salazar "recruit" Schumacher to Portland? It's interesting that they appear to be such separate training groups.

ryan foreman wrote:

I recall Rupp saying that every once in awhile he would train with a runner from the Schumacher group. But yeah, in general it seems they are very much separate.

You don't happen to remember where you read this, or which Schumacher athlete he referred to, do you?

They coach more athletes than were listed. I feel bad for those who didn't get listed, as if they aren't fast enough because they didn't pop into the mind of the OP.

Even the dynamics within each of those two groups seem very different. Jerry seems to have fostered more of a team culture than Alberto. Granted, 4 of his athletes were actually college teammates + a 5th that also went to Wisconsin.. But even with Shalane & Lisa Koll they seem to have hit off pretty good as friends, I wonder if that dynamic is the same with Kara Goucher and Amy Yoder-Begley?