Koll 8:53, Flanagan DNF

Perhaps she wanted to watch the meet, and make a little cash pacing, and help out the meet director with her appearance, and who the f*ck really cares what you or I think about this?

Has Bumbalough been doing much speed work? What's he going to focus on this year? That's a decent result but pretty slow compared to his indoor 3:58 two years ago, before his training with Teg, etc.

What part of 2:04/1:56 in the opening meet of the season do you not understand?

yiggity wrote:

Has Bumbalough been doing much speed work? What's he going to focus on this year? That's a decent result but pretty slow compared to his indoor 3:58 two years ago, before his training with Teg, etc.

Bumbalough is among the entries for US Cross.

yiggity wrote:

Has Bumbalough been doing much speed work? What's he going to focus on this year? That's a decent result but pretty slow compared to his indoor 3:58 two years ago, before his training with Teg, etc.

No. USXC, WXC, 5k. If he stays healthy he'll surprise some people in a month and on the track.

Fah Q. wrote:

Perhaps she wanted to watch the meet, and make a little cash pacing, and help out the meet director with her appearance, and who the f*ck really cares what you or I think about this?

.

Agree. I'm completely baffled by all the negativity around Shalane's "pacing" effort yesterday. Spectators are admitted to these meets FREE for God's sake. Had a great time milling around with the athletes and old friends on the field, enjoyed a nice lunch and a Trophy Cupcake at U-Village, and saw three world class women run whatever they needed to run at this early point in the season.

My teenage daughter was thrilled to see Shalane run up close and even more tickled by Lisa Koll's meet record performance. These women are great role models for young athletes as far as I can tell.

Big thanks to Maggie, Shalane and Lisa for popping into Seattle yesterday!

Tony Soprano wrote:

This, any other modern 3000-meter result, begs the question:

"How f'in fast is 8:06!?!"

I know this was an indoor 3000 and all that, but really.

8:06.1 may be the most impressive WR on the books (worth 13:55 for 5K), but it's nonetheless flattered by the African athletes not caring about the event - Dibaba and Defar should be in the 8:12-15 range.

There's no reason for the 8:20 barrier to be as indomitable as it seems to be. Maybe for Sonia and co., but not for a <14:10 capable athlete.

long way for a workout? wrote:

no, in fact there aren't any indoor tracks in oregon, you heinously ignorant fool.

You don't need an indoor track to do a workout when there is no snow on the ground. Unless of course your a pussy like you who needs perfect weather to train or you run indoors on your treadmill.

Time to strap on a pair folks.[/quote]

You probably have never run 8:53. And you are probably about 5"4" tall. And you drive a pickup.

You probably have never run 8:53. And you are probably about 5"4" tall. And you drive a pickup.[/quote]

Wrong on all of the above.

I just don't think going three hours away to drop out of a race is worth the trip. Call it a workout, call it what you want, either shit or get off the pot. Races used to be for challenging yourself and competing, guess the times have changed.

long way for a workout?

I just don't think going three hours away to drop out of a race is worth the trip.

They disagree.

For the "experts" on here that are criticizing one of the top distance coaches in U.S. history - you need to get a life! There are many different ways to coach distance running and many of the work very nicely. Am I an expert? Well, I have coached some distance runners faster than most of you (and one even faster than Jerry), but the point is that just because you do not agree with Jerry, is irrelavant to most of us on here. How about just congratulating Lisa for an excellent first race this indoor season? Shalane got her workout and no "egos" got bruised or Shalane's workout did not get "messed up" by going faster than Jerry wanted her to and bottom line, Lisa had a great pacer to help her (if she needed it).

yiggity wrote:

Has Bumbalough been doing much speed work? What's he going to focus on this year? That's a decent result but pretty slow compared to his indoor 3:58 two years ago, before his training with Teg, etc.

Why can't f'tards like you just disappear?

Good to see Koll running well. #Dreamgirl. So easy on the eye. I wish she wasn't engaged to that kid, but rather engaged to me.

I didn't mean that to be so negative on Bumbalough. I was just looking for some insight into his training, goals, etc. Why don't you explain to this f'tard what the result signifies? I understand he had a negative split, which indicates he's pretty fit, but how fit does this indicate he is? And again, is he focusing on the 5k, 1500, __?

4:00 with a four-second negative split is AT LEAST as quality as an even-paced 3:58, and perfectly appropriate for a "rust-buster". I must admit to being quite impressed with Aaron Braun, must be a big mile PR for him, at least in terms of quality, and coming off a Club Nats win, indicates a breakout season in the offing for 5K.

yiggity wrote:

I didn't mean that to be so negative on Bumbalough. I was just looking for some insight into his training, goals, etc. Why don't you explain to this f'tard what the result signifies? I understand he had a negative split, which indicates he's pretty fit, but how fit does this indicate he is? And again, is he focusing on the 5k, 1500, __?

Thanks.

long way for a workout? wrote:

I just don't think going three hours away to drop out of a race is worth the trip. Call it a workout, call it what you want, either shit or get off the pot. Races used to be for challenging yourself and competing, guess the times have changed.

I hate to break it to you, but the fast folk in the 70s and 80s occasionally did then exactly what Flanagan did in this case. The only difference was there wasn't some board full of internet never-was nobodies out there to tell them how wrong they are. At least not that anybody would ever hear.

So in that respect, you are right. Times have changed. How does it feel to be a part of the problem?

hoosier123 wrote:

yiggity wrote:

Has Bumbalough been doing much speed work? What's he going to focus on this year? That's a decent result but pretty slow compared to his indoor 3:58 two years ago, before his training with Teg, etc.

No. USXC, WXC, 5k. If he stays healthy he'll surprise some people in a month and on the track.

Yiggity, I posted this in immediate response to your question. You miss it?

Unknown guy in the next grave wrote:

I hate to break it to you, but the fast folk in the 70s and 80s occasionally did then exactly what Flanagan did in this case. The only difference was there wasn't some board full of internet never-was nobodies out there to tell them how wrong they are. At least not that anybody would ever hear.

So in that respect, you are right. Times have changed. How does it feel to be a part of the problem?

Sorry, was one of those guys, never saw it happen, never did it.