Webb and teammates receiving illegal benefits while still in high school?

From the VSHL Rule Book:

I don't care one way or the other, but I wanted to post the actual VHSL Rules regarding the situation since the OP has asked a few times what the actual rules are and people just respond with "What does it matter to you?!?" or something to the same effect.

My interpretation. The "accessories" he/his teammates received, probabaly aren't of enough value to worry about an infaction of Interpretation (g). Covering the travel expenses of athletes other than Alan (or any other athlete who did not compete in the meet itself) and/or being treated to a post-race celebration by meet managment could be interpreted as an infraction of Interpretation (f). Note the word could. I wouldn't care/re-hash the issue so long after the fact, but others might. Your interpretations may vary.

asfsf wrote:

I've never heard of anyone receiving benefits from local businesses.

Are you kidding? Where I live many local businesses support the cross country/track teams.

XCZ wrote:

asfsf wrote:

I've never heard of anyone receiving benefits from local businesses.

Are you kidding? Where I live many local businesses support the cross country/track teams.

So that leads us back to my other question, do the rules vary state by state? Or is there a nationwide set of rules all states must abide by? Nobody has been able to answer and prove their answers to the questions I've asked previously.

Thank you for posting these rules. I understand that this does not necessarily mean he was in violation but it certainlly means that perhaps they could have been.

Which one could they possibly have broken? Was the dinner $500 per person?You're either the best troll or the biggest goddamn idiot (these are not necessarily mutually exclusive).Finally, this is almost TEN YEARS OLD, and it's clear that Webb did the VAST majority of his training and racing on his own or with his high school team. The fact that you even care about this, and would even bring it up, makes me sad for humanity. Who gives a f***? He ran sub-4 when he was in high school, I really don't give a shit if the president paid for him to get a hooker.

asfsf wrote:

Thank you for posting these rules. I understand that this does not necessarily mean he was in violation but it certainlly means that perhaps they could have been.

IQ of at least 80 wrote:

Which one could they possibly have broken? Was the dinner $500 per person?

You're either the best troll or the biggest goddamn idiot (these are not necessarily mutually exclusive).

Finally, this is almost TEN YEARS OLD, and it's clear that Webb did the VAST majority of his training and racing on his own or with his high school team. The fact that you even care about this, and would even bring it up, makes me sad for humanity. Who gives a f***? He ran sub-4 when he was in high school, I really don't give a shit if the president paid for him to get a hooker.

asfsf wrote:

Thank you for posting these rules. I understand that this does not necessarily mean he was in violation but it certainlly means that perhaps they could have been.

Why are you swearing? It seems that for some reason rules don't apply to top athletes. Whici is a great example to set for our younger, impressionable high schoolers around today. Apparently (at least on letsrun) if you're the fastest, you and your team get to travel around and get free meals/merchandise. If that's not performance enhancing, I don't know what is.

asfsf wrote:

Why are you swearing? It seems that for some reason rules don't apply to top athletes. Whici is a great example to set for our younger, impressionable high schoolers around today. Apparently (at least on letsrun) if you're the fastest, you and your team get to travel around and get free meals/merchandise. If that's not performance enhancing, I don't know what is.

Nike flies the top athletes and teams out for NXN, VIOLATION!!! They get everything paid for by Nike, VIOLATION!!! Every team that has ever gone to NXN and every individual athlete that has ever run for them is in violation according to you and should have their records removed. Same for Footlocker. Thanks for showing us the light.

There are very few HS athletes who don't get discounts on running shoes from their local purveyor.

asfsf wrote:

deraylicious wrote:

Better yet they did NOT break any rules. Like I said earlier, local businesses support HS teams ALL THE F***ING TIME. There is nothing suspicious at all, they got a dinner and a ball cap, BFD, kids that go to Foot Locker get multiple meals and a plane ticket, go F*** with them.

I've never heard of anyone receiving benefits from local businesses.

The premise that Webb and his teammates broke some rules here is absurd, no matter what the rulebook says. Have you checked the prices at Coogan's? Tops each meal was $15 all in. and the caps are maybe $10. So each kid got $25 value? Whoa! they should have been pulled over by the police when they crossed back into Virginia. Peter Walsh has provided free meals to many more athletes than I can count and he does this because he wants them to remember what a great time they had in NYC running at The Armory and he's someone who selflessly supports the sport which should be commended.

How many HS kids get free stuff from Nike? For all sports. That has been going on for years. Did LeBron give back his Nikes after the season? I bet not.

FL and NXN spend way more than $500 per kid on all expenses, so why are they all still eligible? Millrose, Reebok Games, NSIC, NIN, NON, Under Armour HS Football Game - all of them pay for the athletes to go. Don't tell me that kids do bake sales and car washes to pay to go to the Under Armour game.

the only way to stop this is to restrict kids from traveling outside the state for any competition.

So if you want to create a thread with any merit, then do some homework about all HS athletes who could have broken the same rules and lay it out for us. If you're going to hang one person, then you might as well hang them all.

im so bro wrote:

Nike flies the top athletes and teams out for NXN, VIOLATION!!! They get everything paid for by Nike, VIOLATION!!! Every team that has ever gone to NXN and every individual athlete that has ever run for them is in violation according to you and should have their records removed. Same for Footlocker. Thanks for showing us the light.

Re-read the definition of Amateurism as defined by my post from the VHSL Rule Book:

28-8-1 AMATEUR RULE-A student who represents a school in an interscholastic sport shall be an amateur in that sport

Many/most High School Federations have rules to a similar effect. Technically, any athlete that competes at FL or a FL Regional is "Unattached". They're representing themselves,not their school, and shouldn't be wearing their school's uniform. Alot do, and that is, technically an infraction.

Same with NXN. Technically they aren't racing as the Fayetteville-Manlius Cross Country Team; they are the Fayetteville-Manlius Track Club. For the purposes of Amateurism there is a difference b/w the two and any national level meet knows this and complies with this as to avoid any amateurism conflicts. No national championship would ever survive if it invalidated any future scholastic running opportunities, be they more years in high school or in college, of the athletes who participated.

i'm pretty sure what the article stated is just completely false. so its says 26 teammates went up to watch alan's race. i was on the team and i don't remember that happening at all. if there had been a bus to take us up to the meet to watch alan's race i definitely would have done that. so seeing how thats not true i'm gonna go ahead and say the whole receiving things that the article talks about is also not true.

ur kidding wrote:

So if you want to create a thread with any merit, then do some homework about all HS athletes who could have broken the same rules and lay it out for us. If you're going to hang one person, then you might as well hang them all.

No thanks, I'm not trying to change the world or anything. Just asking about the South Lakes misconduct.

alan's teammate wrote:

i'm pretty sure what the article stated is just completely false. so its says 26 teammates went up to watch alan's race. i was on the team and i don't remember that happening at all. if there had been a bus to take us up to the meet to watch alan's race i definitely would have done that. so seeing how thats not true i'm gonna go ahead and say the whole receiving things that the article talks about is also not true.

I don't believe you.

asfsf wrote:

No thanks, I'm not trying to change the world or anything. Just asking about the South Lakes misconduct.

Either mommy or daddy should take your computer away. You're obviously too immature to use it constructively.

Well, when you post any actual proof of actual misconduct, maybe you'll have a thread.Until then, you're just jacking off in your own face.What did they do that was misconduct? You still have not specified. Are you worried about the free meal? High school athletes in my area get a 20% discount on shoes at the local running store (probably worth at least as much as one dinner), I assume we should suspend them all?

asfsf wrote:

No thanks, I'm not trying to change the world or anything. Just asking about the South Lakes misconduct.

IQ of at least 80 wrote:

Until then, you're just jacking off in your own face

Hahahaha

Our coach drove us to the track half a mile away a few times. I never paid him for gas...I guess I should turn myself in because rules are rules and i should be punished.

I checked the IP address of the original poster - he likes to post under different names to support his cause.

Clearly he is bitter towards South Lakes and/or Webb. No other reason to single them out for such an unsubstantiated claim.

As someone who was actually running and on a relay team at that meet, I assure you that we did not have any kind of lavish meal or gifts provided for us. It is actually false that we all got mementos, too. We quickly got back our on bus for the 5 hour drive home to Reston.