If people actually, you know, BREAK, I don't see how calling them "wusses" is very helpful, or accurate.
If people actually, you know, BREAK, I don't see how calling them "wusses" is very helpful, or accurate.
Yeah, Viren believed in running 1500 meter races, for example, as preparation for 5000 and 10,000 meter races. However, these were really just workouts, and at any rate, I am sure for Ritz it is fine if he wants to race some 1500 meter races or whatever, but to call him a pussy because he doesn't race as often as some Lets Run poster desires is preposterous.
7 miles of intervals on an indoor track, esp when you haven't done it in a while?? bonehead...He should hook up with Bill Squires..even in his retirement years he is still probably the best U.S Marathon coach we have. Dathan would no doubt run a better marathon under the tutelage of the master than Alberto.
Im getting sick of hearing people bitch about how the top athletes dont race as much anymore. Id love to see more races for my own viewing pleasure as well, but get it through your skulls that it is BENEFICIAL to race less, so that one can focus and peak correctly. And yes its not as fun for them, but they are being paid to preform, its a sacrifice.
Jesus, American records are getting shattered by multiple guys with at least 4-5 years left in their prime and people still are "armchair quarterbacking" them. There is a reason AMERICANS are running alot faster than we were 10+ years ago, its not like we had guys just sprout up out of nowhere, its called improved training. SHUT UP HATERS
Ritz is used to having all facilities he needs available on a whim. Was probably a little out of his element having to go to a local college track to get his workout in while visiting his relatives over Christmas. Thus made the stupid mistake of 7 miles of intervals on much tighter turns than he was used to.
A 29-minute 10k guy would never have made a mistake like this; these guys have to adjust to their circumstances all the time. Adjusting to circumstances is not something the Nike boys do all that well.
Don't see why this is such a big deal. He tweaked his ankle. Probably at least one guy on every collegiate track team is going to tweak their ankle their first time on the indoor track this year. He'll take 3 days off and be back at it. Though I admit, 7mi on a 200m track the first time out is a lot.
I don't think running 7 miles of intervals on the track is a big deal for an elite runner. It was probably tempo intervals that he was supposed to do outside before we got that snow storm out here in Michigan.
Duhr wrote:
Jesus, American records are getting shattered by multiple guys with at least 4-5 years left in their prime and people still are "armchair quarterbacking" them. There is a reason AMERICANS are running alot faster than we were 10+ years ago, its not like we had guys just sprout up out of nowhere, its called improved training. SHUT UP HATERS
Sorry pal. I'm as critical as anyone to the armchair quarterbacking and second guessing, but is this case, the light is green on this clusterf***.
“It was just a little bit of a freak injury,” Ritzenhein said. “It was my first time on a 200-meter track in a while and I was doing a speed workout and it was a pretty sharp turn around the corner. It didn’t happen in just one moment; it was over the course of the seven miles of intervals, and it was probably just a little too much.”
This is no more a freak injury than Prefontaine having a freak car wreck. Both were completely predictable.
This is a complete breakdown in adult supervision. Ritzenhein's injury was completely predictable, and probably 80 percent preventable. (I give it a 20% chance he was going to get injured anyway, FWIW)
He could have run at Solstice of Malmo stlye paces just to maintain form while he was home for the holidays. He could have run poor man's speedwork - 30s repeats up a hill. He could have run untimed fartlek sessions on the roads. But nooooooooo! Seven miles of speedwork on a 200m track? With sharp turns? ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR f***ING MIND?
No, it's called cycling their doping schedule.
Seriously, how is the training "improved". Everybody is still doing some form of base, hills/XC, intervals, tapering that Lydiard popularized in the 60's but started with Gerschler back in the 30's.
The 10K AR dropped only 21 sec in 24 years. The big difference being the rise of professionalism and big money sponsorship (and PED) not some revolutionary training method.
The other thing is you can still "race" as part of your training. It helps you mentally prepare--show up on time to the race, get used to traveling and sleeping in a strange bed, time your meals and bathroom break properly, respond to moves in a race, etc. Don't race your primary distance or don't finish the race if you're worried about peaking improperly.
You can still race and peak for a major race, they did it in the 80's. Almost every training manual has "race" at least every other week after the base and hill phase of training.
As for Ritz, they have to stop "tinkering" with his training and form. This is no "ideal form". On one extreme is a form that is very "efficient" from an energy consumption standpoint like Chi-running on the other extreme is a form that is mechanically efficient from a speed standpoint (tight leg recovery, higher knee lift, etc).
If he's getting injured so much, then Al Sal needs to step back and just "undertrain" Ritz until he gets a good foundation going.
[quote]the dude with the funny hat wrote:
Ritz is used to having all facilities he needs available on a whim.
you must have missed this:
the lets run joke last week was that they run hallways at the Nike Campus building
But nooooooooo! Seven miles of speedwork on a 200m track? With sharp turns? ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR f***ING MIND?[/quote]
I base most of my training on what Malmo says, but does he have a double standard on "common sense" here?
fgfg wrote:
I base most of my training on what Malmo says, but does he have a double standard on "common sense" here?
What's the double standard of common sense?
what is his injury?
The guy needs to train like a marathoner, quit the super fast stuff during that training period, and stop tinkering with his form (a huge mistake in my opinion). Then sharpen only when necessary for track. That's the only formula that's ever worked.
He can get back to running 2:10 +/- a minute after 2012 to collect a paycheck.
Either one of two things happened:
1. AlSal is an idiot at told Dathan to do a 7mi indoor workout on a 200m track and Dathan was an idiot for actually doing it.
2. Dathan did this workout on his own and is an idiot.
Either way, we found out why Dathan gets hurt so much. He is an idiot.
I just hope when he comes back his thumbs are in the right alignment, that is SOOO darned important to running a quality marathon.(sarcasm)
Ritz needs to take a page from Bobby Curtis. Curtis runs within 30 seconds of his track 10k pr off zero speed / interval work training under Nic Bideau. Ritz should be able to run 2730s under this Bideau plan and stay healthy to then transition to a marathon or at least half-marathon performance.
I think it's a fabricated injury. This is like Brett Favre getting an injury in a Wrangler Jeans pickup game.
His brain is too small and his clit is too big.
What is so dangerous about a 200 meter track that one needs to be careful?
If Dathan is used to 7 miles of intervals on the roads or outdoor track, it is not unreasonable to think he could just move his workout to the indoor track if he wants. Why is he an idiot?