Desi will kick Kara's butt this April

Lucy says wrote:

Injuries are nothing but training mistakes? You sir get the most moronic post ever posted on LR. What a fool.

Actually what you just wrote might go down as one of the most moronic posts ever made. This isn't football. Probably 99% of running injuries are training mistakes. Not really liking the chance for Desi to beat Kara either. Lucy says is most likely an idiot.

Are you forgetting about the credentials of the two ladies in front of her?

Tune, just 23 years old, and Kosgei both have terrible leg speed over 10,000 meters (insert major sarcasm). Tune has run a low 1:07 for a legitimate unaided half marathon. I will let you research her 10,000 best for yourself, as well as Kosgei's.

No it was a stupid strategy and yes it was unreasonable. She didn't have a chance in hell of breaking away from either of those women.

Please post where Alberto said that, I'd love to see that specific quote.

She couldn't hang with them when they went, but waiting longer, as you claim, she would have had even more left and reeeeaaallllllyyyyyy outkicked them. She was the one who was dropped, not them. Why not give them credit?

Why post when you know nothing about running? Seriously, your post is stupid and shows an amazing lack of intelligence. I don't care about grammar or punctuation, but your logic is seriously an embarrassment to yourself, albeit anonymous.

Kara doesn't run with guts and push the pace (like her coach did), she runs off of a slow pace and then complains about the early pace after the race. Alberto never did that.

A runner's genes and their natural biomechanics has more to do with it than you think. 99% is training? That is just wrong. Nothing else to say. Carry on gentleman and lucy want a cracker is on cr**k!

yeah when it comes to injuries ,99% is training

Lucy want a cracker is training mistakes.....same poster looking for help. Don't waste your time explaining things to an obvious 4 hour marathoner and a certified moron.

Give me some scenarios,then ask yourself who is on crack

False. 99% of injuries are NOT due to training.

Biomechanics, you moron!!! I explained it nicely, but you are a lost cause. Good night loser.

untrue dude wrote:

Hanson athletes do not always improve in the marathon. Trent Briney just kept getting better. Oh wait after the trials he went down hill.

Trent Briney ran 2:21 in his debut marathon. He improved significantly to run 2:12 in the trials.

This is an unheard of behavior from any of Alberto's marathoners.

Name me one Alberto coached marathoner that has improved one second after their debut with Alberto? I can not think of one. Ritz has only run one marathon under Alberto, so in fairness, he hasn't had a chance.

Do you want me to list the Hansons that have? I would guess that their is close to 30.

Lucy,

First of all, I am not any other poster here. So, you've already proven yourself capable of making incorrect statements, and talking about things you have no idea about.

Second, successful training is not just applying a proven program to an athlete and when they get hurt blaming biomechanics. That is bullshit.

Everyone has limitations. Someone with good biomechanics might toleate 140mpw. Someone with poor biomechanics might max out at 75mpw. As a coach, I need to work within my athletes' limitations. Sure, if possible, work to reduce/eliminate those limitations over time.

Make no mistake, whoever tries to blast through biomechanical limitations by doing too much, too soon, too hard, or too fast and blaming the biomechanics and not the athlete/coach/training program is the idiot. (That would be you, in this case).

Good day.

Rather than kick Kara's butt, I would prefer see her gently squeeze it.

Just in case you're not understanding my reasoning by saying "most injuries are traing mistakes", I will try to clarify.

Training, in my world, consists of all elements important in developing a runner. 1.) Actual running mileage/mix of workouts; 2.) Supplemental training (strength, flexibility, plyos, etc.); 3.) Nutrition; 4.) Rest/recovery

It's important to note that not all injuries/training mistakes can be avoided (that's how we learn), but they can certainly be learned from and hopefully not repeated.

So, think about what are the most common running injuries? Overuse? The runner attempted to do more than they could handle at that time. That is a training mistake.

Bad form ("biomechanics") leading to breakdown? Somewhere a training mistake was made. Perhaps attempting too high of mileage and/or intensity; Perhaps not dedicating more(any) time to a strength/flexibility program that would have improved or corrected that bad form, and allowed more miles/intensity in the program. I fail to understand how you can not blame the training in this case - my body will only handle X miles. So, I did X+15 and got hurt. Biomechanics is the problem!! Yes, but it was also a training mistake!

Poor recovery - could be inadequate nutrition, inadequate rest (recovery or sleep), too much training, etc.. Somewhere, a training mistake that can be corrected.

Poor race results because of "choking"? A missed training opportunity/mistake. Training can & should develop the physical and psychological aspects of performance.

I'm am always eager to learn, so please educate me if there is a flaw in my thinking. Injuries = Training mistake is certainly my opinion, but I have developed this opinion from my own experience and by observing others. I can't think of an example of injury that wasn't caused by a training mistake (other than a freak accident).

name one performance in Desi's career that suggests such a thing is likely

michigander wrote:

Rather than kick Kara's butt, I would prefer see her gently squeeze it.

Agreed. Although, Desi strikes me a bit more aggressive than a gentle squeeze. Maybe a nice firm slap.

So soon we forget.... NYC 2007?Paula had her baby 9 1/2 months before WINNING NYC!http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/health/2007/11/08/2007-11-08_pregnancy_barely_slowed_paula_radcliffe_.html

Lucy says wrote:

Desi is going to kick Kara's butt in Boston. Mark it down as done.

1. Desi is class and walks away with first place among Americans.

2. Unfortunately Kara cries and blames it on not enough time after giving birth.

3. Every letsrun poster disagrees with this post and then claims they knew it all along after the race is done.

Lucy says wrote:

You state half the story. Trent Briney was injured for quite some time. Get your facts straight. Regardless of your abililty, how well do you run while injured?

Patriots beating the Panthers? Hardly. Their pr's are so close we should just call it a wash. What happened in the WC race? Where has Kara run that much faster. Again, get your facts straight. I would love to place a wager with some of you goofs.

Yes in the marathon the times by both women are close. What happened in the WC race? Um Kara beat Desiree. Where has Kara run that much faster? How about every distance other than the marathon. Where has Desiree beaten Kara or run faster? Yes Trent was injured from the training. Again would you take the Panthers over the Patroits? Get a clue.

To the others that have said well Trent went from 2:21 to 2:12, who has Salazar done that with. Well he doesn't have anyone that slow. It is much harder to go from 2:12 to 2:08-9 than you might think. All of the athletes Al Sal has are trying to make the Olympic team. Hansons have only had one person make an Olympic team.

untrue dude wrote:

It is much harder to go from 2:12 to 2:08-9 than you might think. All of the athletes Al Sal has are trying to make the Olympic team. Hansons have only had one person make an Olympic team.

Who has Alberto coached to a sub 2:11? With all that "Olympic Talent" has Alberto ever coached anyone faster than Brian Sell?

In addition, you still haven't answered my first question.

After any of Alberto's athletes ran their marathon debut with Alberto, have any of them EVER run faster in the marathon? Please just give me one name.

Remember, Ritz has only run one marathon under Alberto.

Anyone under the illusion that the Hansons' group, and in particular Mr. Sell aren't talented are fools. Sell is as talented a runner as Ritz. This blue collar crap is a huge load of bunk. Sell is an incredibly hard worker. Ritz is an incredibly hard worker. Sell is not injury prone. Ritz is injury prone. They are both great runners.

Desi and Kara are much more similar. They are both passionate and hard working runners. Don't start fake drama. Let the best get out there and compete.

Sell is quite talented but he's not as talented as Ritz. That's just a silly statement.

Kara and Desi are both very nice and very talented. Okay, what's next?