Spain- The dirtiest country in sport?

Russia, Greece, India, Nigeria, Bulgaria could give them a good run for their money.

Sucks to come from a country that tends to dope a lot, but doesn't have authority protection to do it.

east germany

Ummm, I didn't see USA on those lists above? We've had a lot of dopers caught.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Ummm, I didn't see USA on those lists above? We've had a lot of dopers caught.

Yeah, big pool to catch from though.

The list I put manage to pull off incredibly high percentages of failed tests/competing athlete ratios.

I'm happy to stick the USA on there if it'll make you happy though? We can stick on Bahrain and Turkey too if their are no objections.

I don't know about Turkey (or Bulgaria) particularly. Seems to me that much of their doping is in weigh lifting or wrestling, but maybe I'm missing something.

Also not sure how many people from India have been caught.

Add east African countries to the list above. Yeah,I know...

very few caught, but IAAF is protecting them. Italians are dirty too.

fff wrote:

Add east African countries to the list above. Yeah,I know...

very few caught, but IAAF is protecting them. Italians are dirty too.

The retarded "East Africans are protected by IAAF" argument. Why the f*** would they protect them? International sports federations (it doesn´t matter if it´s athletics, soccer or any other sport) don´t give a shit about political correctness. All the care about is money, money, money, so why the hell should the protect a bunch of long distance runners with zero market value but catch a lot of sprinters, who are the only T&F athletes with commercial value? Think before you post!

Reyes Estevez is also now implicated, surprise surprise, with blood bags belonging to him found in the raid, if my translation of this article is correct. He's a double world champs 1500m medallist and former european champ. There's also a video of the raid in here, showing the freezer which has, it's fair to say, a sheeetload of blood bags in it.

http://www.abc.es/20101209/deportes/guardia-civil-pone-marcha-201012091200.html

They haven't caught the Jamaican contingent of excellent sprinters either.

idiot alert wrote:

The retarded "East Africans are protected by IAAF" argument. Why the f*** would they protect them? International sports federations (it doesn´t matter if it´s athletics, soccer or any other sport) don´t give a shit about political correctness. All the care about is money, money, money, so why the hell should the protect a bunch of long distance runners with zero market value but catch a lot of sprinters, who are the only T&F athletes with commercial value? Think before you post!

The top East Africans still have commerical value though, even if it's not as much as Bolt.

If they catch a bunch of top guys, the ones who win will still be East African, but the view will be that they must be doing it too. The authorities may as well preserve the illusion, because if they lose even one or two, it's all shattered.

I'm not sure how that's supposed to make sense. Distance running is on the way out in Europe because of the over-saturation of Africans and you think that the IAAF somehow wants that? 2012 will be the first year in over a century that there won't be a global cross country championship because no one in Europe (or most anywhere else) wants to take it year in and year out because the best shot Europe (or a predominantly non-African country) has is for a team bronze in one of the women's races. That's considered a success these days. It would be more believable that the powers that be try to reduce African domination and even the playing field a bit for European distance runners. If you told me that you had inside information that the IAAF was behind Bekele's long running injury, that would make mores sense. With him out of the picture, you know that neither the circuit races or the championship 5000s will be anywhere near 12:40, giving at least some hope that one of the Americans or Farah or Mottram or someone that's a native Indo-European language speaker has a chance at a medal.

Haile Gebrselassie is the only African runner I would think that would have any commercial value in the sport. Maybe a few others, but not many and not much at all. He's the only one I might expect to read about in a general periodical, and that's if he does something significant or suffers some calamity. When I think of commercially valuable I think of Justin Gatlin, Regina Jacobs, Kellie White, Christie Gaynes, LaShawn Merritt, or Marta Dominguez. Those people come from countries where people have money for buying shoes and watching the television. It would be worth something to hide their drug usage.

But your idea doesn't make any sense to me. Why on earth would a group, with the stated purpose of raising revenue, risk public humiliation to damage it's own ability to raise money?

I'm not at all surprised about Spain because a Spanish distance runner told me that cheating is rampant among elite Spanish distance runners, but on the American question: look back at, say, the 2000 Olympic Trials in the women's sprints and the doping record and tell me that the concentration of dopers is low in the United States.

Pot & kettle

Your translation is really bad (I'm spanish and I'm frustrated and disappointed but you have to be careful about what you say). It only says his blood is going to be compared with the bags, probably because he's trained by Pascua.

200m Final - Results - Sunday 07/23/00

PL ATHLETE NAME TEAM TIME

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Wind Reading: 0.5

1 Marion Jones Nike BALCO Steroids 21.94

2 Inger Miller Nike Excessive Caffeine 1999 World Indoor 22.09

3 Nanceen Perry Mizuno/ In Pursuit 22.38

4 Torri Edwards Nike Ban for Nikethamide 22.68

5 Latasha Colander-Richrd Nike 22.76

6 Michelle Collins Nike Banned for Steroids, EPO, Modafinil 22.80

7 LaTasha Jenkins Nike 22.99

8 Carlette Guidry adidas 23.15

Additions?

Viktor wrote:With him out of the picture, you know that neither the circuit races or the championship 5000s will be anywhere near 12:40, giving at least some hope that one of the Americans or Farah or Mottram or someone that's a native Indo-European language speaker has a chance at a medal

eh ??

that still leaves 1/2 dozen 12'45 - 12'50 calibre africans out there

his loss makes trivial difference

Anyone know what dirty sanchez is up to lately?

I thought it had been quite a few years since anybody but Bekele had gone under 12:50. Or maybe we are talking about Ventolin^3 times?

what part of "calibre" don't you understand ?