I'm thinking he'll do something like that as well. He's always been close to Irv Ray (the coach at UC Riverside where his brother is now). So perhaps he tries to go it alone and gets advice from various people.
My bet, he'll coach himself.
Ahahaha - Exactly what I was talking about.
Christine O'Donnell wrote:
I'm not a coach but i'm also crazy about Jesus and i will have plenty of time soon.
I was being slightly trollish, but critical thinking skills translate well into all areas of your life - even running. His mind is clearly stunted through his indoctrination, and having been there myself, I can tell you that being Jesus crazy is a form of mental illness.
the blunt blunt truth wrote:
kakapoian - I am perplexed at posts such as yours. Your views on his critical thinking skills or lack thereof are irrelevant.
Hall is in an incredibly demanding endeavor, and he makes choices as what works for him. I respect them, even though I am not in the least bit religious. You also have no earthly idea as to whether improving his critical thinking skills would improve his running. So your post is merely an emotional rant against a person who is religious, and charitably, is gratuitous at best.
Inigo Montoya wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks the whole idea of Hall leaving Mahon by choice doesn't make sense?
I don't think should I have to recount his career to this point, but let's look at it all laid out.
They've been working together for 5 years:
2007 - 59:43 - U.S. Half Marathon Record
2007 - 2:08:24 London - fastest American debut
2007 - 1st Olympic Trials
2008 - 2:06:17 London, 5th - Big PR and #2 US.
2008 - Olympics 10th, 2:12:33 - under performed, but not a total disaster in my opinion
2009 - 3rd Boston in 2:09:40 - one tough gusty race. He ran about as good as any one could.
2009 - 4th NYC Marathon - 2:10:36 - another consistent performance
2010 - 4th Boston Marathon - 2:08:40 - Pretty incredible to run the fast time ever by an American at Boston and end up getting crushed and finishing 4th. What the hell else could he have done? Another a great gusty effort.
So, summer and fall 2010 go poorly for him. One bad training cycle and the whole system is suddenly not working? I don't buy it. He bounced back from his poor race at Beijing with three very very strong performances. I don't know how else you define success, but that to me looks pretty damn successful. So he has his really only terrible training cycle over the last 3 months and that erases the 4 years Mahon has coached him to be incredibly tough and consistent? You don't get good and you don't get better by giving up because you have one little setback. You learn, regroup, and try again. Persistence. Everyone has bad periods of training. May be after a few of them you start think something isn't working, or you see other guys having more success, but no one who is currently running, other than Meb, is having greater success at the marathon. There are plenty of great coaches, but would they're system be that different and what would guarantee any better results that what he's already achieved? I don't know what reasons from a training/racing perspective would compel him to just up and leave.
It seems incredibly shortsighted that Hall would panic after one bad training cycle. That's what doesn't make sense. There's some information here only Hall and Mahon know, and I'm not saying we're entitled to it, because we as the public aren't. It's ultimately between them, but there's more to it that just a stretch of bad training.
His own words:
Wow.. he really does plan on training himself. I predict that approach to change soon when he realises how much he relied on coaching and support from a team.
I will be using some different sources to shape my training. Over the past 14 years of running I have developed a keen body awareness, which I will use on a daily basis, as well as advice from various experts, and prayer to ultimately shape my training. I believe that operating in this manner will allow me to run with a new level of faith and excitement.
I agree to an extent, but I think it is less to do with training and more to do with the new post-collegiate attitude he had. What was exciting then, I'm sure, has faded to a routine now.
Michael Scott wrote:
My theory is that Ryan's debut performances benefited a lot from his college training. He then added the tempos and mileage to suit him to a higher distance and did well because he still had that college training. He's too far away from that college training now. What worked four years ago isn't going to work now because the last several years leading up to now involve very different training than the last several years that led up to those awesome debuts.