Willis moving up to 5000m

What is the overall point you are trying to make in all that?

Are you saying Webb was better than Aouita?

You have still not countered my main point. Webb has up till now never come close to a medal in world competition.

Just to pick up on one of your comments ' i have little doubt that in '06 off his 27'34 he wouda gone a 12'55'

Complete and utter nonsense. In any case there is no list for potential pr's

ukathleticscoach wrote:What is the overall point you are trying to make in all that?

learn to read idiot

Are you saying Webb was better than Aouita?

comparable over 800, no difference over a mile, webb better over 10k

You have still not countered my main point. Webb has up till now never come close to a medal in world competition

you really are stoopid

webb missed bronze by 0.65s & silver by 0.61s in the 1st final where he was a serious contender - where he kicked too late

he has not had the injury-free seasons to have competed in '08 or '09 finals since

Just to pick up on one of your comments ' i have little doubt that in '06 off his 27'34 he wouda gone a 12'55'

Complete and utter nonsense. In any case there is no list for potential pr's

you are a complete moron

he beat ritz in that 10k : 27'34 v 27'35

ritz was considered a better runner over longer distances - 10k, 1/2M & M - he actually ran the M in peking

webb logically woud be considered faster over shorter track distances - 3k & 5k

what does ritz run for 5k in '09 ???

he runs a 12'56

if he is inferior to webb at distances below 10k, you can damn well bet webb wouda run faster than 12'56 if he'd remained uninjured

'comparable over 800, no difference over a mile, webb better over 10k'

I notice you conveniently skip the 5000m! Don't give that rubbish about not running many, Aouita ran a lot more fast times at 1500m / mile as well

You are forgetting Aouita was running over 20 years ago. Times have improved a lot since then (world record by 3 seconds over the mile) but if we ignore that for now and compare just on time:

A W Diff

800 M 1:43.86 1:43.84 W -0.02

1000 M 2:15.16 2:20.32 A 5.16

1500 M 3:29.46 3:30.54 A 0.92

One Mile 3:46.76 3:46.91 A 0.15

3000 M 7:29.45 7:39.28 A 9.83

5000 M 12:58.39 13:10.86 A 12.47

10000m 27.34.72 27:26.11 A 8.61

'you can damn well bet webb wouda run faster than 12'56 if he'd remained uninjured' Wouda couda -you don't know that for sure - just look at the 3km time! In any case it goes back to what I said - having a body resistant to injury is part of being talented

Then move on to competetive ability. Comparing someone who has won several world titles to someone who could only manage 8th are you joking! You can keep making excuses about injury starting sprint to late or whatever but Aouita was a far superior athlete. Even when he was injured in 08 he manage a bronze in the 800m

...and one more thing, both Webb and Willis are milers and should stick to their best distance

I think Bekele, geb, komen could have done a sub 13 comfortably at points in their careers

moron

can you not read ???

i already told you about about one of webb's rare forays into 5k - his 13'10 - a time run off 1500 ability only where he ran a disastrous 65s last lap where a 60s wouda given him 13'05 & a 55s a 13'00

read it & learn stoopid

as for 1500/mile : webb had 1 season where he had the speed & coud be considered the near finished article - '07 - in that year, he runs 0.15s within aouita's mile

webb did NOT have the 5y of aouita's uninjured career 0f '84 - '88 to regularly improve his 1500/mile

moron

he ran that 3k en-route to an 8'11.48 behind big choge's 8'07

8'11.48 is worth 7'35 with a 1.08 conversion & this was early season & he was "only" a 3'48.9 guy that year - NOT in his 3'46.9 form

also his 8'11 is FASTER than aouita's pb of 8'13 which was wr at the time

moron

do ovett/cram/aouita/ryun/etc all lack talent because they all got injured/ill in their careers ???

idiot

learn to read

he was only a medal contender in '07 but didn't have '08/'09 to compete in

you honestly think a 3'46 guy wouda lost to willis for silver in peking ???

or not challenged konchellah for gold in berlin ???

he wouda walked away with at least 2 silvers if he'd been competing there in his '07 shape

nonsense

he won a 5k gold in 13'05 when training for it - webb runs 13'10 off just 1500 ability

aouita has not run faster over 800 - webb couda matched that 800 bronze if he'd been in the race

Yes Coe, Ovett and Cram got injured but they all still won gold at WC or OG. If they had been injured but failed to do that they would not be as talented - just be a runner with a lot of potential. In any case all those runners had twice the kick of Webb so if they were injured they usually still pulled something out in a big race

I'm not going through all the other coulda shouda nonsense you have written. I put all there times over regular track distances and Aouita is clearly better despite running 20 years before Webb

Stop going on about that 3:46 he ran it once you can't put all the championship races on that day. In the WC in the same year he failed to perform as well

So Aouita already has the edge on times (actual times not the ones in your head). Add in championship perfomances and there is only one conclusion:

Aouita was a far superior athlete to Webb.

There is nobody in athletics who thinks otherwise

nonsense

cram got injured in '84 & never won a global gold after

ovett got injured '83 & never won a global gold after

they were lucky they banked their gold before injury

moron

he has 1'43.8 speed - faster than ovett or aouita

given slow race, his kick woud be just as potent

only an idiot woud believe a 1'43.8 guy woudn't have a great kick in a slow, tactical 1500 - but you are an idiot

you are clearly clueless

learn stoopid : aouita had 5y of peak, uninjured years - webb had only '07 which was start of his "big time career" but it didn't happen

f*** you idiot

i'll go on about it as much as i want

it's faster than coe or ovett ever ran for it & shows how good webb was

i've explained it to you 3 times

how f***ing stoopid are you moron ???

nonsense

he wins 2 golds over 5k over guys who weren't better than 13'05 at the time

if webb had been running those just off his 1500 ability, he'd have walked to gold in '87 & probably bronze in '84 - in his 27'34 form he'd have blown those fields away

guys like you are so f***ing dumb

you still believe guys from 20 - 30y ago woud be just as dominant nowdays

with a handful of exceptions, it's horseshit

aouita woud stand no chance in fast 5k of nowdays where races are won in close to 12'50

idiot

i'm one for starters & there are plenty of others if you read the archives

willis does a lot of fast long runs in training, so he should be a natural to move up and compete with his fifteen speed at the five, just like coghlann.

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Aouita was a far superior athlete to Webb.

There is nobody in athletics who thinks otherwise

I think otherwise.

Webb is as good of an athlete as anyone else out there. The only thing with him is that he can't stay healthy or perform in races, but he is certainly as capable as anyone physically.

Webb has just as much foot speed as Aouita and as much endurance. They've both run 47sec 400m and 27min 10ks. Actually, Webb might have the athletic edge by being able to bench press 250lb haha.

ay wrote:

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Aouita was a far superior athlete to Webb.

There is nobody in athletics who thinks otherwise

I think otherwise.

Webb is as good of an athlete as anyone else out there. The only thing with him is that he can't stay healthy or perform in races, but he is certainly as capable as anyone physically.

HaHaHa!

"The only thing ...is that he can't ...perform in races"

I've heard everything now. Isn't the whole point of athletics, the ability to perform in races? They don't give out medals or bestow greatness on what someone might have done based on some crackpot's calculator, or if they HAD been able to perform in races! You're argument thereafter is completely lost with that single gem.

Webb has been around long enough now, and has had no more setbacks in terms of injury/illness than many of those that have gone before him. He has had more opportunities to win medals than those competing in the early 80's (what with bi-annual Worlds), yet has never won a medal of any sort or broken a WR.

He has slower pb's over most distances than Aouita, who was competing 20 years before on slower tracks. Had Aouita had the sort of competition then that's around now, he would certainly have been capable of at least low 12:50's. As it was, he ran his 12:58 WR the same year he ran 3:30.69

Where is Webb's 400pb? Someone mentioned a "split" of 47.4! A relay split I take it. If so, then that's equivalent to about 48 flat for 400m; a clear second slower than Aouita. Webb didn't and hasn't got the same leg speed as Aouita. Webb's finishing kick off any pace is mediocre compared to the all time greats. And the fact that Webb could only run a last lap of 65 in his 13:10, shows his endurance is far below that of Aouita's. Forget about the fact Webb was training for 1500 when he ran that 13:10. Aouita could run <13:00 the same year he topped the 1500 rankings with 3:30.

ukathleticscoach is right. No one with any sense, except idiots like Ventolin and completely biased fans of Webb, would dare to suggest that Webb was better than Aouita at any distance.

no, i said Webb is just as good of an athlete(physical ability) as Aouita.

I agree that Aouita is definitely better at the sport of athletics(competitive performance and career) though like you say.

moron

winning medals is only part of the equation

henry rono never won a global medal & he is one of the all time great runners - the only guy to hold 3 olympic event wrs simultaneously for past 65y

winning minor medals is more down to luck on the day than any great skill when athletes are at that level

in any global final there are 1 or 2 who coud fight for silver & 3 or 4 who coud fight for bronze - the order depends more upon luck of positioning & timing of sprint rather than any superior skill

anyone who thinks medals are sole measure of greatness is a moron - but of course you are a moron

idiot

learn to read

'07 was 1st year he was near the finished article ( a 3'46 guy, no more a 3'32 one who woudn't be a contender for anything more than a bronze - & that if only "lucky" )

he messed up, but didn't get chance to compete in '08 or '09

are you so f***ing dumb that you don't think a 3'46 guy woudn't have challenged willis for silver or konchellah for gold ( both guys much slower than 3'46 ) ???

he has been injured/ill since '07 & only in the new york mile recently has shown signs of a recovery

faster over 800m & 0.15s slower over a mile in his 1st top season - he isn't significantly slower

as for faster tracks, that is nonsense

webb ran those times in low key meets where i very much doubt they have had the money to change the tracks in decades - certainly the 3'46 was run on nothing better than a high school meeting track

& all that means is that he still woudn't be a top 10 all time lister

the standards & athletes nowdays are generally better

same principle as that desperate 45+ split you keep begging everyone to acknowledge for coe in your pathetic attempt to delude posters into believing he had 45s speed

you are a complete & utter moron

LEARN TO READ IDIOT

he ran 47.4 split when he was 18y & had 1'47.4pb

he improved his 800pb by 3.6

do the math moron : 48.0 - ( 0.5*3.6 ) = ???

see above idiot

idiot

you clearly didn't see him destroy baala when setting his 3'30.5pb with a 55s last lap

this was baala's home meet & he took 5m out of him in the stretch - that is in the meet baala targets above all on the circuit

moron

LEARN TO READ

he ran that off no 5k training

he shattered his pb down from 13'46 down to 13'10 off just better 1500 work

you idiot, didn't see the race

it was a shock he faded - looking at his form upto the bell, i wouda bet 9 times out of 10 he wouda run at least 60s for a 13'05 & 2 or 3 out of 10 he couda gone as fast as 55 for a 13'00

go look up aouita's 5k pb in '83 for a comparison when aouita was only a 1500 guy

WHY MORON ???

it is absolutely imperative to know what event any guy was specialising his training for when he runs another event

coe coudn't break 7'50 for 3k which is pathetic for a 1500wr holder of modern era

what's your excuse for that idiot ???

you are a f***ing idiot

that was in '87

he had been a fully fledged 5k runner for 4y by then

his fault he did both - if he'd given up the 5k that year & concentrated on more speed, then he mighta gone 3'28, but as it was he kept at the 5k

both you f***ing idiots have never seen any of webb's races other than his 1'43/3'46 on youtube

you morons never saw his 8'11 or 13'10 or 3'30 on tv & therefore you idiots have no f***ing clue about the background of this great runner - the best 1500 talent post-hicham

talking about someone you know nothing about makes you look even more than the utter morons you usually are

Ventolin^3,

I am curious: do you have a special keyboard with a "f***ing idiot" key on it, or simply a macro that lets you insert it randomly in your posts?

Please clarity.

Gracias

father of pearl wrote:

Ventolin^3,

I am curious: do you have a special keyboard with a "f***ing idiot" key on it, or simply a macro that lets you insert it randomly in your posts?

Please clarity.

Gracias

Ventolin is a pityful little Kenyan with feelings of inferiority.

So are you saying Webb is a better runner than Aouita?

Just as good as Coe, Ovett and Cram or better than them?

Yes or no will suffice

ask a proper question idiot :

list each event from 800 - 10k for each athlete v webb & then we'll see

do the hard work & do the list & i'll reply

So are you saying Webb is a better runner overall than Aouita?

read post above moron

Do you have issues with control?

Or are you just unable to answer the question because of how it will make you look whichever way you answer it