Name HS runners who have gone sub9:00 3200m AND sub 1:50

I keep thinking about some old times who might have run the equivalent to sub 1:50 (800m), sub 4:10 (1600m) and sub 9:00 (3200m). What about Tim Danielson or Matt Centrowitz? Both met the second two criteria.

Question: Anyone know what did they ran for the half-mile?

Drew Butler: 1:50.8, 9:01.

George Webbs wrote:

1:50 is probably equivelent to 4:06 for 1600 and 8:48 for 3200.

I'm sure over 100 kids have gone sub 4:10 and 9:00. I would bet not much more than 50 have broke 1:50 in high school. Probably more like 35.

134 US boys have broken 1:50 in the 800.

#134 on the 1600 list is 4:06.17 (including converted Miles).

#134 on the 3200 list is 8:52.75 (including 2-Miles)

627 have broken 4:10m and 452 have broken 9:00m.

Tinman wrote:

I keep thinking about some old times who might have run the equivalent to sub 1:50 (800m), sub 4:10 (1600m) and sub 9:00 (3200m). What about Tim Danielson or Matt Centrowitz? Both met the second two criteria.

Question: Anyone know what did they ran for the half-mile?

Danielson 1:53.2 in 1966

Centro 1:54.6 in 1973 CHSAA and 1:51.5 relay split at Eastern States

That's what I was thinking: sub-9 American in high school and sub-1:50 anytime in life is very rare: Webb, Spivey, Rupp, Hacker and maybe a couple of other guys get you to a half dozen or so.

And here's this very unassuming guy running local masters races who darn near did it who nobody knows (we're a long way from Illinois). I only know because he was wearing a school windbreaker and I like to research my competition.

I'm only counting flat 800's, no relay splits.

redbirdy wrote:

Sully split a 1:51 something and ran a 9:13 for 2 miles. He probably could have run 1:45 and 8:30 if he was allowed to compete with his tuxedo t-shirt and Mr. G's black hat.

Sullivan didn't run many 3200's or 2 miles obviously as they don't exist in Canada.

He ran 8.11 for 3000m indoors (equal to about an 8.50 3200m), in one of his few attempts at this distance and ran 1.47.6 for 800m outdoors, of course he also ran 3.39 for 1500m (=3.56 mile), all in HS.

Finnerty ran 4:01 for the 16 8:46.xx and 1:54.51 for the 800m 15:12 for the 5k. He only ran one serious 800m during his high school career, he ran it sophmore year. Also that 800m was his high school's former 800m record, it was beat this year.

Lost Soul wrote:

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Andy Powell or Franklin Sanchez, two of the Massachusetts high school phenom's of the 90's.

Andy Powell

800 - 1:51

Mile - 4:02

2 Mile - 8:49 (Indoor vs Sanchez)

5k XC - 14:52 (Franklin Park in Boston)

Franklyn Sanchez

800 - 1:55

Mile - 4:08

2 Mile - 8:47 (Indoor vs Powell)

5k - couldn't find any results but at the State XC meet in 1998 Sanchez ran 14:01 to Powell's 14:00 on a 2.9 mile course

* Sanchez also set the US JR record in the 5k in 2000, running 13:38.39

Here's that 8:47/8:49 race indoors

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WecHhJCV2Y&feature=related

Why are you surprised? Neither broke 1:50...

Also both times you list are wrong. Sanchez went 8:49 and Powell 8:50 in that race.

giffypop17 wrote:

Bingo. It was billed as a clash of the titans thing where Brannen flew down to NIN or something like that and they were going to go after Lindgren's indoor record. Webb crushed Brannen and went on to run 8:45. Brannen hung with him for 2000-2400 meters or so and then was broken. I think he was under 9, but not sure. It was likely his only attempt at 3200/2mile, though I'm sure he might have a comparably quick 3000 time.

Brannen hung on for about 1200 meters. Webb went through in 4:19 high and had already left him behind. Brannen ran 8:57 in that 2mile.

Too bad that race was run on a flat track...a good flat track, but not the most condusive to NR attempts.

so far, best i can tell, the list is the following: add only with proof.WebbSullyBrannenSpivey----------------------close/possible??ryunlukezic?????somebody mentioned hacker, is that confirmed? also, i thought rupp didn't break 1:50 until later in college, so he'd be out. i assume he broke 9 by a large margin but somebody want to confirm the 800 time? so looks like we're at 4 ppl! wow!

afdsdas wrote:It seems like Webb and Spivey are the only Americans to do it.

Hacker and Rupp were mentioned as breaking 1:50 later in college (or after).

The OP wanted at least two of times to qualify for the list...but was particularly looking for sub 1:51 and sub 9:00.

I'm kind of shocked no one has mentioned Chris Solinsky. He didn't so sub 1:51 in HS but has far exceeded the other three criteria.

5k xc 14:40.5 @ 2002 Footlocker

3200 8:43.24 @ 2003 Arcadia Inv

1600 4:03.8 (converted from yards) @ 2003 Adidas Outdoor Championships

800 1:53.7 @ 2002 Monona Grove Inv.

As far a Tim Hacker goes,

3200 8:59.3 (indoor, hand timed, converted from yards) @ 1981 TFA Indoor

1600 4:12.33 @ 1981 WIAA State Meet

800 1:54.06 @ 1981 WIAA State Meet

http://www.wisconsintrackandfield.com/listsrecords/boysalltime.html

How about Mike Stahr for an HS guy. I have seen him as a 1:50 (probably1.50xx) 800m guy and 9:01 2 miler.What were Gabe Jennings PRs? I know he had a 1:54/4:12/9:15 triple at state but can\'t remember his 800/3200 prs. Probably could have done this feat but I think he ran the mile at all of his peak racs. Did Stember ever run a 3200 in HS?After high school it is going to be hard to find guys that actually ran open 800ms but any of the sub 9:00 guys that ran 3:56 or so were likely to be sub 1:50 guys.This is mainly an opportunity thing.

The trouble is that we've got several different questions floating around here. Most of us are only answering about the first question (from the thread title), but some are answering about the less restrictive criteria.

1) Guys who ran sub 1:50 and sub9 3200 in HS. Short list: Webb, Spivey, Sully and Brannen (if you include 3k/2mile conversions). We have a still uncomfirmed Sage.

2) Guys who ran sub9 3200 in HS, and eventually went sub 1:50 later on in life. Rupp and Hacker have been mentioned.

3) Guys that who ran sub9 3200 and went sub 1:51 in HS. Probably a few more guys on that list.

4) Guys that did any two of the following in HS: sub4:10 1600, sub9 3200, sub 1:51 800 and sub15 5k. This list is less impressive, because almost anybody who has done one has done two of these. Almost any 4:10 miler has likely run under 9, and many might have run under 1:51. Any sub15 5k guy likely ran under 9.

The trouble with questions #3 and #4 is that they're a little too easy, especially #4. If you know of a guy went under 9 or under 4:10, he's probably on that list, so guys are throwing out every sub9 guy they can think of, which defeats the purpose of the original question, which was finding guys with ridiculous range.

For the first question, we've got Webb and Brannen as the only two to have done it with 800 and 3200 times. Spivey's 2mile is quick enough to get him in. Sully's 3k is good enough. And if we're accepting 3ks, I wouldn't be surprised if Willis did it as well, along with Gregson.

The question of guys who went sub9 in HS and later went sub 1:50 is interesting, since most of the guys who were sub9 in HS but not sub1:50 in HS tended toward longer distances, like Rupp, Solinsky, Ritz, etc. Some of the guys who were sub9 in HS but focused on the 1500/mile in college didn't quite get there, AFAIK, such as Sage and Pifer. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see Fernandez, Centro, and Jager do this if they stay healthy. Centro might have already.

Leonel Manzano should get honorable mention for running 1:51.1 and 9:07 off of 25 miles a week. Could have easly run 1:49.0 and 8:45 with proper training.

Joe Falcon didn't do it, but came close, running 1:52.45 (800 m), 4:06.6 (1600 m), and 8:53.35 (3200 m) in 1984.

In regards to Louie Quintana. He was close and met some of the criteria.

PR's

800m - 1:50.24 - National Leader - Senior Season

1600m - 4:07.20 - National #2

3200m - 9:08 - Some small meet - time trialed 8:54y during senior cross country according to legend

14:47 - 5K at Woodward Park - California State Champ

Foot Locker (Kinney) National Champion - Undefeated Senior Year Cross.

I though Quintana ran faster his junior year (1:49 high) for the 800m but a quick googling didn\'t turn anything up.Is anyone aware of an all time 800m list? I know there is a 2 mile one floating around which isn\'t super up to date but it is a good start for the pre 2000 times.

Nova Watcher wrote:

In regards to Louie Quintana. He was close and met some of the criteria.

PR\'s

800m - 1:50.24 - National Leader - Senior Season

1600m - 4:07.20 - National #2

3200m - 9:08 - Some small meet - time trialed 8:54y during senior cross country according to legend

14:47 - 5K at Woodward Park - California State Champ

Foot Locker (Kinney) National Champion - Undefeated Senior Year Cross.

Guys who ran sub9 3200 in HS, and eventually went sub 1:50 later on in life. Rupp and Hacker have been mentioned.

-giffypop17

If were including guys that have went sub 1:50 in college then finnerty should also be included. He went 1:49.xx last year early on in outdoor.