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13 years ago 08/31/2010 11:14am EDT

re: chillll

Sounds reasonable to me. Also I think what's being missed in this discussion is that half of the really "out there" comments on either side are actually trolls trying to rile everybody up. If I want to bash Webb, I'm going to write this:

What people are really missing is that Alan Webb is going to be the next 10k American record holder. If he can run a 14:15 5k at TEMPO pace, that means his actual 5k pace is at least 20 seconds per mile faster, meaning he's ALREADY IN 13:05 SHAPE!!! Another year of training and he'll be going through 5k of a 10k in 13:20 and it'll feel like jogging. With his massive kick he's a shoe in to medal in Daegu.

Then just sit back and wait.

13 years ago 08/31/2010 11:14am EDT

re: chillll

Alan Webb gets paid to run a 1:52 because when he runs a 1:52, a thread pops up on a popular running message board and gets a hundred replies. When Alan Webb runs a 1:52, everyone in the running world knows about it. When Alan Webb runs a 1:52, people care. And THAT is why he gets paid.

13 years ago 08/31/2010 1:21pm EDT

re: chillll

chillll wrote:
My argument is that professional athletes are patently subject to scrutiny (baseball, basketball, football, etc).

That's not an argument. That's a statement of fact. An argument would be that professional athletes SHOULD be subject to scrutiny. That's an argument you haven't made convincingly yet. You are simply asserting it.

chillll wrote:
Track shouldn't be different. If you disagree with me, then what is a track discussion to you, just pages of over-optimistic speculation?

That's a false dichotomy. There are certainly more than two kinds of discussions about track and field.

chillll wrote:
Webb gets paid to run 1:52, that's what a lot of people miss. It's just like a highly paid NFL receiver dropping passes. Wouldn't you agree that the burden of proof is on YOU to show me why bad performances should be regarded differently across different sports?

You only addressed half of my point. You are still simply asserting that "bashing" (again, your word) is appropriate, and even good, for football. That's a different argument than whether or not track and field should be treated differently from other sports.

chillll wrote:
Also, all negative reactions to a race get grouped together. There's a difference between saying: "Wow bad race by Webb" and "Webb is done."

Of course.

chillll wrote:
I can maybe understand why the latter might make some people defensive, but seriously it's just normal sports speculation.

I'm not disputing that it's normal. However, normal does not always equal "good," or "appropriate." Perhaps some might think that track and field discussions should transcend "bashing." Note that the preceding sentence is not my own argument; I'm simply stating a possible argument.

Basically, I see that you can make, and indeed are beginning to make, and argument that all professional sports discussions should abide by the same social rules across the disciplines. However, your basic premise, that "bashing" is fine, appropriate, even good, is a different point altogether.

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