Semenya protest brewing

X-Runner wrote:

I also feel bad for OJ Simpson when people harass him.

He was found not guilty by a court of law.

Case closed.

yeah, never did solve that

probley whity

I imagine most people would value the opinion of the IAAF over some trolls on letsrun.

I do run run run wrote:

Caster is a man,

Exactly how do you and others know this for sure? Are you privy to information the rest of us aren't or are you just going with your gut response? If the latter, is that really how sport rules should be decided, based on what someone feels in their gut?

Fairest of all wrote:

It is the IAAF they should be protesting against. CS has done nothing wrong.

He is the one running in the women's races, not the IAAF.

It is him who is committing the crime.

If you run a red light, that is not the fault of the people who build lights.

It is the IAAF's responsibility to disqualify the guy, so it doesn't keep happening.

It very well may not be fair to the other competitors given the nature of Semenya's advantage that they must face off against Semenya head to head, but now that the iaaf has ruled on the case I don't see how they can go back on that.

I find it mildly amusing that the other female competitors take such a strong stance towards this issue. I wonder how they would feel if CS was not a world champion and had not run 154 previously and had not just cruised to a ridiculously easy win. Caster was cleared to compete as a woman (saying that she is a he is ridiculously offensive) and the only reason the other competitors take issue is because she is just flat out better than them. What these other "competitors" should take note is that CS does not hold the world record, nor on the grand scheme of things is her time particularly fast. A 154 would have a hard time winning a Texas, Cali, or multiple other state championships. They should take it as a call to arms to train and compete. Not run their mouths while their eyes shine with envy. If Tyson Gay could get people to believe Usain Bolt was an alien and therefore not eligible to compete as a "man" he would probably be all over it.

J.R. wrote:

It is him who is committing the crime.

And what, specifically, do you have knowledge of that the rest of us or even the IAAF doesn't to know that Semenya is "committing the crime"?

This is a rare condition, which is why it hasn't come up before. New CS's aren't going to be "popping out of the woodwork".

Buddy, her innards are, or were, male. On the outside she's female. This what the females take issue with. Physiologically she most definitely has an advantage, even if she got her innards corrected such that the IAAF now characterizes her as 51% female. There is no freakin' way anyone should tolerate it when she breaks the women's world record. Let her compete, whether female or male races, but don't count her as female and eligible for female medals/records.

Girls don't run 1:54. Freakshows and dopers do. Semenya is easily a 1:52 or better runner when she's actually trying.

k;lkajdf wrote:

Girls don't run 1:54. Freakshows and dopers do. Semenya is easily a 1:52 or better runner when she's actually trying.

So let's all now decide whether she is trying or not as well, too? Please get over yourselves. NO ONE here knows her actual physical makeup - unless you believe the crap in the press (mostly made up so-called journalism)- let alone her intentions in a race.

If you have that big a problem with her, then just assasinate her, don't they still lynch blacks in America? This is all really just a racist plot (the only complainers are white women), since there wouldn't be a whimper of disapproval if she were white (see Jelimo and Mutola).

As to running 1.54 - if you can run 52sec for 400m (as Peirce and Uceny are supposed to be capable) then you should be able to run 1.54 - that's a 5sec differential,57-5=52 (which even my HS boys can do, and is what 400/800 guy Rushisha is at as well, and no one is claiming his endurance is great). So in fact there should be more women at this level anyway - if they had competent coaches.

Didn't we go through this "man thing" two years ago with Jelimo (1.54 at the same age) and Mutola for years. Just becuase they don't conform to the stereotypical "Playboy" notion of how women are "Supposed" to look, they must be men? The IAAF has approved her to compete - as one poster said - so sue them as they are ultimately responsible. Otherwise STFU and leave her alone. Don't you people have better things to do with your pathetic little lives.

The anti-semenya guys are really afraid of something to do with her. They are severally threatened it seems. It screams of homosexual tendencies hiding behind their attacks.

you dudes are pussycats--so soft.

you can no longer recognise a real woman from a hermaphrodite. CS is too male to be put in the FEMALE races.

Did you even know that Michelle Belanger who appears on the tv show Paranormal State is a hermaphrodite. She has music CDs and sings feminine. I refer to her as SHE.

CS is much more masculine and cannot reproduce like a female from the reports I've read. I refer to him as HE.

um no wrote:

Buddy, her innards are, or were, male. On the outside she's female. This what the females take issue with. Physiologically she most definitely has an advantage, even if she got her innards corrected such that the IAAF now characterizes her as 51% female. There is no freakin' way anyone should tolerate it when she breaks the women's world record. Let her compete, whether female or male races, but don't count her as female and eligible for female medals/records.

Can you show me where the IAAF has characterized her as 51% female and what meaning this has anyway. How female are you?

How female is Diane Cummins?

I think it's fine when society can recognize and accept hermaphodites or transgendered people, as most have now accepted people like Khloe Kardashian and Rumer Willis.

@allie, you seem to be some kind of sex expert.

Whether someone can reproduce has absolutely nothing to do with what sex they are.

What someone looks like, sounds like, acts like, has nothing to do with what sex they are.

Please remember, when you capitalize He, or She, you are generally referring to God. Your capitalization could be taken as making them deities, rather than the screaming rant you probably intended.

[quote]dingle wrote: Can you show me where the IAAF has characterized her as 51% female and what meaning this has anyway.../quote]

There is not such thing as being 51% male or female. The difference is very big. Someone else posted that they thought it was something like an order of magnitude of difference. A female might be 5-10% male, but not more than that. A male might be 5-10% female, but not more than that.

I think Semenya looks very much like a male but all the testing shows that she is very much within the definition of a female. There is no boarder line she is at. She is not in the 20%-50% male range. That is why she has been approved to compete as a woman. Genetically that is where she falls.

Have y'all read what Science of Sport has to say about this, including Semenya's leaked test results?

Semenya was dealt a tough hand at birth. But if we let her run, might as well eliminate a separate competition for women.

Um, yeah wrote:

J.R. wrote:

It is him who is committing the crime.

And what, specifically, do you have knowledge of that the rest of us or even the IAAF doesn't to know that Semenya is "committing the crime"?

He is running in women's races.

Duh.

Everyone knows that he's running in women's races.