viewfromlane9.blogspot.com wrote:
Last year was the first time Symmonds made an international final I believe. He failed in '07 and '08. .
In a slow race he is a threat no doubt...wait to they bomb at 1:42 pace, then he is in trouble due to his always "sit way back" tactics.
When he raced his 3:30.9--again great race, but he kicked for 4th and was 10m to 12m out of 3rd.
Agree the guy should be tired by now...I just think he is so talented that the guy can be a serious contender if he sorts out his racing.
Battle ---> True.
I feel similarly. While I don't think he'll medal, I do see some scenarios where he COULD if everything goes really well (similar to what happened to Willis in '08). 9 times out of 10, Nick Willis is not the 2nd best (clean) runner in the world. However...$#!t happens.
wheating meeting wrote:
In a slow race he is a threat no doubt...wait to they bomb at 1:42 pace, then he is in trouble due to his always "sit way back" tactics.
When he raced his 3:30.9--again great race, but he kicked for 4th and was 10m to 12m out of 3rd.
Agree the guy should be tired by now...I just think he is so talented that the guy can be a serious contender if he sorts out his racing.
Red fox wrote:
To whom are you referring? All the Wheating haters on here went on and on about how Kaki and co. would always be in a different race and Wheating/Symmonds would be racing for something like 5th towards the back. Now that Wheating nearly nipped the second best guy in the world (and is racing more aggressively) and took second in a Diamond League race, people contend that the fields are lacking.
Time and time again Wheating proves himself and people don't respond positively. Unbelievable.
sga h wrote:
Red fox wrote:
To whom are you referring? All the Wheating haters on here went on and on about how Kaki and co. would always be in a different race and Wheating/Symmonds would be racing for something like 5th towards the back. Now that Wheating nearly nipped the second best guy in the world (and is racing more aggressively) and took second in a Diamond League race, people contend that the fields are lacking.
Time and time again Wheating proves himself and people don't respond positively. Unbelievable.
I'll respond positively. I posted this last week on the board about Wheating geting next to last at Stockholm:
"That is how it goes in world class meets. He has to learn that he can not sit in the back and out kick everyone in the last 100-200m. He needs to stay in good position near the front if he truly wants to win. He has the ability, he needs the correct tactics."
Since he listened to my sound coaching advice, I will give him props and hope he continues to fight to win races rather than hang on for fast times. When you lose that winning mindset, you don't tend to win.
I assume my coaching fee check is in the mail?
0/10 but I'll bite.
Let's take a sneak preview of the field he'll face in Daegu:
Rudisha 1:41.5
Kaki 1:42.23
Kirwa Yego WC gold 1:42.67
Mulaudzi WC gold 1:42.86
I'll take the field (even with Kaki choking). Wheating still has no major champ experience, and will be lucky to make it through rounds.
To be honest I'm sick of hearing:
~"Wheating's only been running a few years; he has huge upside etc."
True students of the sport were aware of his talent in '08 - he is finally delivering just now, and about time - I for one can only watch so many 3:37 / 1:46 jogs.
That said...no one saw 3:30.9 coming. He needs to run the 1500 if he wants any chance at a medal; even then he faces (swap whatever Kenyans you like):
Kiplagat 3:29.3
Choge 3:29.5
Laalou 3:29.5 / 1:43.2
Kiprop Oly champ / 1:43.1
Keitany 3:30.2
Don't get me wrong this is a great result, but save your enthusiasm for when it counts.
eatyerfnwheatings wrote:
enjoy
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en action avec ma bite wrote:
0/10 but I'll bite.
Let's take a sneak preview of the field he'll face in Daegu:
Rudisha 1:41.5
Kaki 1:42.23
Kirwa Yego WC gold 1:42.67
Mulaudzi WC gold 1:42.86
I'll take the field (even with Kaki choking). Wheating still has no major champ experience, and will be lucky to make it through rounds.
To be honest I'm sick of hearing:
~"Wheating's only been running a few years; he has huge upside etc."
True students of the sport were aware of his talent in '08 - he is finally delivering just now, and about time - I for one can only watch so many 3:37 / 1:46 jogs.
That said...no one saw 3:30.9 coming. He needs to run the 1500 if he wants any chance at a medal; even then he faces (swap whatever Kenyans you like):
Kiplagat 3:29.3
Choge 3:29.5
Laalou 3:29.5 / 1:43.2
Kiprop Oly champ / 1:43.1
Keitany 3:30.2
Don't get me wrong this is a great result, but save your enthusiasm for when it counts.
wheating meeting wrote:
I think Wheating has all the tools to medal, the issue is his racing. Always in bad position and kicking. He ain't going to win the big wins against 1:41 and 1:42 guys doing that.
en action avec ma bite wrote:
To be honest I'm sick of hearing:
~"Wheating's only been running a few years; he has huge upside etc."
True students of the sport were aware of his talent in '08 - he is finally delivering just now, and about time - I for one can only watch so many 3:37 / 1:46 jogs.
That said...no one saw 3:30.9 coming. He needs to run the 1500 if he wants any chance at a medal; even then he faces (swap whatever Kenyans you like):
I think it's safe to say that Symmonds is now the 2nd best American 800m runner.
world champs next summer, wheating and webb bring home medals and a bunch a chumps on this site start talking about how they didn't deserve them! mark it!
examples will be:
some of the e. africans weren't in lifetime best shape
final was too slow or perhaps too fast
e. africans gave up medals when they knew they couldn't win
the top e. african some teenage up and comer wasn't selected for the team.
eatyerfnwheatings wrote:
enjoy
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I've been watching oregon track for many years. You guys surprised with andrew wheating are just people focused on times. it is unfortunate that these outstanding kids are coached to win in college, but i do understand. if he had to run faster 3 years ago then you would have seen alot more from him. when he learnes how to run in this high caliber races he will win and set records. i'm still not sure his best race but i think the 1500 is his best event. now, find it hard to believe but i think he has left a teamate from oregon that can beat him. matt centro has more talent and handed him the ncaa. wait till he runs against the worlds best. mark my words, he will break records.
mmm..is dat sum post race sunny-D =p
u of o track fan wrote:
I've been watching oregon track for many years. You guys surprised with andrew wheating are just people focused on times. it is unfortunate that these outstanding kids are coached to win in college, but i do understand. if he had to run faster 3 years ago then you would have seen alot more from him. when he learnes how to run in this high caliber races he will win and set records. i'm still not sure his best race but i think the 1500 is his best event. now, find it hard to believe but i think he has left a teamate from oregon that can beat him. matt centro has more talent and handed him the ncaa. wait till he runs against the worlds best. mark my words, he will break records.
Perspectivation wrote:
sga h wrote:
Red fox wrote:
To whom are you referring? All the Wheating haters on here went on and on about how Kaki and co. would always be in a different race and Wheating/Symmonds would be racing for something like 5th towards the back. Now that Wheating nearly nipped the second best guy in the world (and is racing more aggressively) and took second in a Diamond League race, people contend that the fields are lacking.
Time and time again Wheating proves himself and people don't respond positively. Unbelievable.
I'll respond positively. I posted this last week on the board about Wheating geting next to last at Stockholm:
"That is how it goes in world class meets. He has to learn that he can not sit in the back and out kick everyone in the last 100-200m. He needs to stay in good position near the front if he truly wants to win. He has the ability, he needs the correct tactics."
Since he listened to my sound coaching advice, I will give him props and hope he continues to fight to win races rather than hang on for fast times. When you lose that winning mindset, you don't tend to win.
I assume my coaching fee check is in the mail?
There is the possibility that he was flat last week. I don't think any of his other 4 races this summer had him so far back at that point in a race (the last 25%). Personally I thought he'd be flat today, but he surprises again.
I think it really goes to show how much he has grown mentally on the summer circuit. Physically we've know it was there since 3:38 and 1:45.0 as a sophomore, but he was never tested at this kind of level. He's responding nicely.
