1'41.51 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My mommy still breast feeds me. And I was in the Special Olympics, not the real ones.

I was going to say nasty things about the guy but he seems really humble, so hopefully he breaks the record someday.

http://www.flotrack.org/videos/coverage/view_video/237329-heusden/346620-david-rudisha-after-141-2-all-time-800-at-2010-heusden

from watching the video, I see that ventolin's right that he was substantially off the rabbits and hence did not get much (almost no) drafting assistance during the race at all. The only assistance he got was having people to chase and having the second rabbit running beside him. There is substantial psychological benefit from running with/behind people in a race/workout. Clearly, he can run faster. In the interview, he stated that had the Lausanne race been slower, 1:45 instead of 1:43, he would have had a good deal more in the legs. It is very likely that he will take the world record down this year.

it is an increasingly rare pleasure to see intelligent posters posting intelligently

:)

here is one of the most intelligent pieces of analysis it has been my privilege to ever read : look for asterix's post in this thread - 2nd one, on drafting :

http://mb.trackandfieldnews.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?p=59476#p59476

"Also, from another: the 800 WR is soft? No way. It is by far the hardest event as evidenced by how seldom we see these kinds of times or performers."

It is actually very simple: The current doping arsenal knows no stuffs that could influence performance in the regime of anaerobic glycolysis (400-800 m). This is why these distances have been practically stagnating for 25 years, while shorter and longer ones experienced "great performances" (=performances induced by drug abuse).

Hence I must view Rudisha's performances as very suspicious, especially with regard to his unusual height (190 cm) that makes him very inefficient aerobically. If he breaks Wilson E.P.O. Kipketer's record, then I will have no doubt.

I have watched the Ramzi race in Rome 06 many times. It used to be on Toutube. The rabbits were WAY in front of him by the 400m and stayed way in front of him. Ramzi and Kipchirchir Komen were in a separate race in no man's land. As you are getting on and it happened a few years ago now, one can forgive you for not remembering clearly!

HE HAD NO DRAFTING! How you can ramble on about Rudisha getting no drafting despite being 3 or 4m behind the rabbit but the say Ramzi got drafting from someone being 8m ahead is laughable. Again highlighting the lack of consistency in your attempts at an argument.

You can take at least 2 seconds off Ramzi's time for lack of drating. That brings it to 3:27. With even splits he breaks EL G's record quite comfortably. The guy was juiced to the gills.

I'm glad you are able to know exactly when Ramzi started doping. With such insight you should be working for WADA.

49.7 may not be official, though it will be interesting to see what time is given when the write up of the race appears in the press. What time would your expert eye offer as an alternative?

ventolin^3 wrote:

it is an increasingly rare pleasure to see intelligent posters posting intelligently

:)

here is one of the most intelligent pieces of analysis it has been my privilege to ever read : look for asterix's post in this thread - 2nd one, on drafting :

http://mb.trackandfieldnews.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?p=59476#p59476

So people that agree with you are intelligent and everyone who doesn't is a moron.

You have an over inflated ego and are the most arrogant F**k wit who posts on here. I wouldn't be surprised if jjjjj is one of your multiple personalities. Go get help.

Czech guy wrote:

Hence I must view Rudisha's performances as very suspicious, especially with regard to his unusual height (190 cm) that makes him very inefficient aerobically. If he breaks Wilson E.P.O. Kipketer's record, then I will have no doubt.

1. What reasonable proof is there of Kipketer's drug use. You can't use the excuse that he is just too fast and circumstantial evidence.

2. That is some confusing logic. So let me get this straight... if he breaks the world record he is definitely a drug user, but if he doesn't he may not be a drug user?

As a former 45.5 400m runner, how many miles a week does Rudisha do?

wow!!! kipketer's record is in serious danger now!

say what polar bear wrote:

1. What reasonable proof is there of Kipketer's drug use. You can't use the excuse that he is just too fast and circumstantial evidence.

2. That is some confusing logic. So let me get this straight... if he breaks the world record he is definitely a drug user, but if he doesn't he may not be a drug user?

Kipketer broke the record, then became ill, claiming malaria. Yet none of the symptoms he and his coach stated he was suffering from were symptoms of malaria. The illness and symptoms he displayed do show up in blood doping and steroid use though.

ventolin^3 wrote:

it is an increasingly rare pleasure to see intelligent posters posting intelligently

Yes, there does seem to be a correlation between the volume of your posts and the phenomenon you allude to above, i.e., the aberrant nature of posts which appear to emanate from the minds of intelligent posters...

Since according to you, Rudisha just soloed a 1:41.51, and you believe good rabbits are worth a second per lap, I guess you MUST conclude that Rudisha's race last night was worth a 1:39.51...Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha....

UKFA Addidas wrote:

ventolin^3 wrote:

:)

So people that agree with you are intelligent and everyone who doesn't is a moron.

You have an over inflated ego and are the most arrogant F**k wit who posts on here. I wouldn't be surprised if jjjjj is one of your multiple personalities. Go get help.

rudy at 45.3 ... trying 3:40

equals 1:40.8, with halfway decent wabbits.

No ... wait. Who am I pretending to be?

Note the smiley face: ventolin was joking, and so am I. The point is that rudisha did not get much drafting help and had just run fast several days earlier. He was disappointed with his final 150. It's not hard to imagine him with fresher legs from a week between races and fresher on the last turn because of sticking closer to the pacers, and him going 26 in that last 200m. wr.

Kipwuzdoped wrote:

say what polar bear wrote:

1. What reasonable proof is there of Kipketer's drug use. You can't use the excuse that he is just too fast and circumstantial evidence.

2. That is some confusing logic. So let me get this straight... if he breaks the world record he is definitely a drug user, but if he doesn't he may not be a drug user?

Kipketer broke the record, then became ill, claiming malaria. Yet none of the symptoms he and his coach stated he was suffering from were symptoms of malaria. The illness and symptoms he displayed do show up in blood doping and steroid use though.

You have a link to that?

"What reasonable proof is there of Kipketer's drug use."

LOL Don't be naive, please. The years 1995-98 were the happy days of EPO. After whites (and Brazilians) left track in big numbers after 1985, Kenyans and other Africans (with the rare exception of Morcelli) showed nothing worth of note in the 800/1500 m. They always ran the same times like before, but they looked "superior", because their opponents disappeared almost overnight. But then, in 1995, a sudden explosion of genetic marvels from Kenya, Ethiopia and Morocco flooded all middle and long distances and started to break former world records like if they only jogged.

Kipketer was coached by a Polish guy, who had a very bad reputation because of arrogance and sexual harassment of his athletes. He certainly had no moral restraints to use the latest sport supplements (EPO).

grand slam wrote:

You can take at least 2 seconds off Ramzi's time for lack of drating. That brings it to 3:27. With even splits he breaks EL G's record quite comfortably. The guy was juiced to the gills.

Ha, I love how a 3:29 just became a 3:25. Keep dreaming...

Czech guy wrote:

"What reasonable proof is there of Kipketer's drug use."

LOL Don't be naive, please. The years 1995-98 were the happy days of EPO. After whites (and Brazilians) left track in big numbers after 1985, Kenyans and other Africans (with the rare exception of Morcelli) showed nothing worth of note in the 800/1500 m. They always ran the same times like before, but they looked "superior", because their opponents disappeared almost overnight. But then, in 1995, a sudden explosion of genetic marvels from Kenya, Ethiopia and Morocco flooded all middle and long distances and started to break former world records like if they only jogged.

Kipketer was coached by a Polish guy, who had a very bad reputation because of arrogance and sexual harassment of his athletes. He certainly had no moral restraints to use the latest sport supplements (EPO).

I would guess that you draw similar conclusions to the Flying Finns, the Kiwis in the 1960s or the Brits in the 1970s and 80s.

Your last paragraph seems to be based on a logical fallacy.

How many times did I already posted a link to the graphs I had made?

http://ospage2000.ic.cz/SportGraphs.htm

Rudisha ran that on 'my' local track. It 'aint a fast track (well that's my excuse for all my crummy times). It's soft and pretty open to the wind. So he's fast alright - I'd say 44 high - maybe just not as efficient as he could be. Almost looks like he overstrides.

Check out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8vQmsmcz8E