Wow I got Lomong's last 400 at 51.2!!!

Abdi did, in fact, run 15:10 his first 5k.

thetruthnow wrote:

FAT splits for final 400m:

51.29 (1:51.79 last 800m)

51.51

It literarly was a 400m race.

LITERALLY?! Look up the word, dumbass.

'So that's the fastest 400 I've ever seen in a 1500. Even El G never closed that fast.[/quote]'

It maybe the fastest you've ever seen, but Cacho did 50.xx to win the Olympics with the whole race over 10 seconds faster than this.

willis closed a 3.53 race in 50.8 as a college soph...

1967 Düsseldorf:

Leichtathletik-Länderkampf Deutschland - USA; 1500-m-Lauf; Am zweiten Tag (17.8.) des 5. Leichtathletik-Länderkampfes Deutschland - USA im Düsseldorfer Rheinstadion siegte im 1500-m-Lauf der Amerikaner Jim Ryun in 3:38,2 Min vor Bodo Tümmler (D), der 3:4

*stipe wrote:

Senior Open 1500m

1 Lopez Lomong Nike 3:50.83

Women's 1500m World Record

Yunxiz Qu China 3:50.46

I'm pretty sure there was a world athletics final somewhat recently (last 5 or so years) where the winner (a kenyan...DKK maybe? Closed in 49.X to win in 3:53.x

aasfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfsdf wrote:

I'm pretty sure there was a world athletics final somewhat recently (last 5 or so years) where the winner (a kenyan...DKK maybe? Closed in 49.X to win in 3:53.x

Don't recall that, but do remember Cram (50.9) and Coe (51.0 - in a lot of traffic) finishing faster in a 3:41 at the Europeans in 86. Also Bile and Coe running 51 and bits in the 89 World Cup, which was in a much faster overall time (3:35).

Also, think the quickest in an international is the 87 European Cup when Gonzales ran 50.0 and Cram c. 50.2. I think the winning time there was about 3:45.

Also remember Morceli running under 52.0 a few times.

laxmack117 wrote:

america still wonders why we cant compeat with the east africans, you would never see that slow of a race over there.

In the 5,000 on the men's side, looks like "never" was as recently as the 2007 Worlds - chock full of East Africans, by the way - when 13:45 won the final. Americans clearly couldn't "compeat" with those fearless East Africans in that one - they only wound up 1st and 4th.

For the ladies, Tirunesh Dibaba won the 2006 World Athletics Final in 16:04 and also won the 2008 Olympic gold medal in 15:41.

It happens.

Here's my take on the whole thing:

1) It was 81 degrees, 65% humidity, and 19 mph winds...certainly not great conditions to run any distance race. Period!

2) No incentive to run fast or even win with it being a non-world championships year.

3) Its likely that everyone is gearing up for a fast July/August and would rather be conservative up to that point.

4) ESPN Sucks!

Word Up! wrote:

2) No incentive to run fast or even win with it being a non-world championships year.

3) Its likely that everyone is gearing up for a fast July/August and would rather be conservative up to that point.

2) Then why even bother to show up and run? That argument makes no sense.

3) 2:00 through 800 is conservative, 2:15 is ludacris.

If you put in Anna Willard for that last lap would she have beaten Lomong?

2) Then why even bother to show up and run? That argument makes no sense.

3) 2:00 through 800 is conservative, 2:15 is ludacris.[/quote]

Look at it with a long term approach...running hard from the gun in those conditions can only do more harm than good. My second point helps explain why noone wanted to essentially sacrifice themselves for the field. I certainly wouldnt go into that race thinking "i cant wait to rabbit this and then get my ass handed to me in the last 700 because I took all the wind". With the season goal of racing fast in europe IN 2 MONTHS, there is no reason these guys need to go out and rip a fast race just to impress the crowd.

How many of these guys are running in July/August? Other than the top 3 or4, most US track guys seasons end at nationals.

Word Up! wrote:

Here's my take on the whole thing:

1) It was 81 degrees, 65% humidity, and 19 mph winds...certainly not great conditions to run any distance race. Period!

2) No incentive to run fast or even win with it being a non-world championships year.

3) Its likely that everyone is gearing up for a fast July/August and would rather be conservative up to that point.

4) ESPN Sucks!

9 of the 12 in the finals ran 52.x or under in the final 400 of that pathetic excuse for a national championship. So big deal he ran 51.2 This is a runner who can hit 1:45 for an 800m. I would hope he could run a 1:51 after jogging 700m. I expected more from that race.

Rashid Ramzi in 2006 ran a 1500 meter race with the first 400 meters run in 50.8 seconds.

xxxrunnerxxx wrote:

Rashid Ramzi in 2006 ran a 1500 meter race with the first 400 meters run in 50.8 seconds.

Do you mean the first (as you put) or the last?

He ran a 3:29 off a first lap of under 53 in 2006.

Why was he able to do this? Because he was almost certainly already on EPO. Therefore not a good point of reference. Everything he did should be in question.

Can anyone speculate/educated guess what Teg ran his last 400 and 800 in?

xxxrunnerxxx wrote:

Rashid Ramzi in 2006 ran a 1500 meter race with the first 400 meters run in 50.8 seconds.

That was the leader's split in Rome, where the rabbits went out way too fast. IIRC, Ramzi was at 52.6 and 1:49.8 in that race (rabbit 1:48.9 at 800). That race actually resulted in Ramzi's all-time best of 3:29.14.