didnt they just move the user/passwd database to the espnrise site ? i bethca it's even on the same physical linux server. do an iptrace and see which telco trunk it tails off of. in other words, dyestat didn't die, it just advanced to a superior service at espn probably in west l.a. or santa monica lost somewhere in the middle of 100 square miles of tv studios, sound stages, and production companies. the same IT script geeks are running the site as before. no sense being so melodramatic about it. dye is happy he dumped it. the blue collar guys don't have the endless funds the rich kids at lr, rs, ft have. you knew that already.