IT'S ON: Bernard Lagat or Chris Solinksy next 5000m AR at Bislett

even for letsrun, the amount of trolling/sheer crap spouted on last 2 pages musta reached an all-time density high

thank god for precisely watson/personalbestparade/randyn/jjjjj for some sensible, enlightening posts

here's my 2c :

the adrenaline argument is nonsense

sol ran that 1'56 at the end because he's not likely to be a 3'37/7'36/13'12 guy currently but more like

3'34/7'28/12'51 guy

& that is the ability that allows you to finish a 26'59 in 1'56

Yeah, a couple of these morons would have you believe that Solinsky's last 800 was analagous to the adrenaline rush that reportedly has had women lifting cars off the ground to save the lives of loved ones...

IF you people cannot understand that it is fitness and requisite concentration and tenacity, call it what you will, which permits Solinsky's 26:59, then there is no hope for drilling anything into your thick skulls, and obtuse is your middle name. Fitness being of paramount importance. I do not believe that Solinsky will run faster than 13:00 in Oslo, but I agree that he has improved substantially. I believe Lagat will run 12:57 and that Kipchoge or another Kenyan will win in 12:52...It is difficult to predict the future, but some of you morons cannot even extrapolate from the past.

chet wrote:

Actually, Venty, you meant to say "only a moron correlates track knowledge as being proportional to track times."

The "inversely" should have been omitted from your sentence.

chet, it does work with inverse proportionality if you use the literal meaning ( as i did )

for a miler & track knowledge on scale 0 to 10, e.g.

5'00 -> 1

4'30 -> 2

4'00 -> 5

3'50 -> 7

3'45 -> 9

3'43 -> 9.9

etc...

only an idiot supposes you have to be to comment

what were lydiard's/daniels/canova's/peter coes/harry wilson's pbs ???

then don't insult the board with crap about 4'40 mile ability making anyone an oracle

you clearly haven't a clue about this moron

hicham went thru the bell in rieti nearly 2s faster than in his wr & this was nearly 5y after his wr

he wanted to bury that "ole" wr of his for a generation but coudn't

you think attempting such a feat nearly 5y after his wr is "running a pb ever race" ???

& yes, he did try to run a pb every circuit race from mid-'90's to early '02s

you are a complete dimwit if that is your assessment

get your kindagarden teacher to comprehend the above for you

OK, but Venty, as I see it, you were taking issue with the moron who tried to question your track knowledge with the rather irrelevant attempt to disparage your track exploits as the vehicle for insinuating your track knowledge was dubious.

Therefore, when you responded, the implication was that your track knowledge was in no way proportional to your track exploits, at least not in any way that would imply cause and effect.

So when you suggested that only the moron in question (or his fellow morons) would correlate track knowledge as being inversely proportional to track times, I would agree that this too would make sense as there is no obvious relation between these two traits whatsoever. However, I would suggest that in your example, it would make more sense to say that the moron would say that they are proportional rather than inversely proportional, but I guess the moron in asserting that they are in any way proportional would perhaps corroborate his moron status...

chet please Sir don't become like Ventolin A JOKE.

Off to universalsports to sign up for the Oslo Race and see Eluid Kipchoge, Bernard Lagat, and Chris Solinsky and company do battle in the 5000m.

There will be many times that posters disagree on subjects, opinions, and predictions. I simply agree to disagree with Ventolin3 and respect his opinion; however, we disagree.

I just checked the last line-up and no scratches for the 5000m and I can't wait to see it live. Hoping the best for Bernard Lagat and Chris Solinsky!

Will this meet be on the internets?

ventolin^3 wrote:

YourFunny wrote:Your definitely not a elite or even a former elite runner and I highly doubt your even a former national class runner with any talent.

only an idiot supposes you have to be to comment

what were lydiard's/daniels/canova's/peter coes/harry wilson's pbs ???

Daniels actually has TWO Olympic medals. The others mentioned have extensive experience coaching athletes at the top level or the sport, and are familiar with needs and capabilities of high level athletes.

YOU appear to have no competition experience whatsoever with NCAA/professional athletes. Just because you paid a small amount of money to use an online calculator doesn't mean you know anything.

You have no experience to draw on, so all the stupid numbers you write mean nothing. There is no reason at all to pay attention to anything you write if you haven't been there, and that applies to everyone else who wants to make all kinds of comments but has never been at the D1 or above level as an athlete or coach. Anyone can go to iaaf.org for free and look up their equivalent performance list. It's how you apply that (with experience) that matters.

We need to find out what the meet director has on plan. What have the elites requested , rabbits for record pace or just a fast pace , or no rabbits ?

Solinksy nor Lagat will dictate how the race will be set up , they are not the fastest athletes in the group.

chet wrote:

Yeah, a couple of these morons would have you believe that Solinsky's last 800 was analagous to the adrenaline rush that reportedly has had women lifting cars off the ground to save the lives of loved ones...

The old all or nothing thought pattern. Awesome. Either he had enough adrenaline to lift a car, or he had none right?

It isn't possible that he even had a 2% boost of adrenaline that would have been required to lift a car? Ohh right, of course not. It's all or nothing.

You've just proven to any of us who have actually raced at a high level and experienced an adrenaline boost that you have never been there.

Think about the olympic trials, every time you have multiple cases of people making the olympics that were not supposed to. Where do you think that comes from? It comes from being on on the right day, and getting that boost of adrenaline near the end when you sense something magical is about to happen. And yet almost none of those people come out and perform like that on a regular basis afterwards. Most get rocked at the Olympics and don't make the semi-finals or finals. Hmmm, I wonder why.

You're the one who appears "never to have been there." I have been there, and I can tell you that after 23 laps in a 10,000, my experience is that I am not chuck full of adrenaline, but rather, I have been trying to remain relaxed and conserve enough energy to finish strong. Of course, there is some adrenaline involved in summoning up the energy for the finish, but it is not some bizarre, aberrant event which needs to be noted, as it is instead the natural marshalling of resources so as to deploy whatever kick is in the legs. I guess, for me, adrenaline was not something I thought of as being somehow necessary for some superhuman assault on the track, but rather, was there as being symptomatic of my motivation, but you are discussing it as if it is some odd, performance enhancing agent which surfaces rarely to trigger analamous events. Your mileage may vary, but I cannot relate.

TODAY is the day my letsrun's family that we find out if a new American Record will be run and if it will be Bernard Lagat or Chris Solinsky.

So true. I feel for the Solinsky bandwagoneers and a bit for Chris Solinsky if he feels like their hopes are on his shoulders.

I see Chris PR in by 11 seconds today and falling 5 seconds short of the AR. Plus or minus 2 seconds assuming he is just as healthy and fit or more fit as he was at Cardinal.

So to be clear 12:59-13:03 is his likely range right now so I'm saying 13:01.

That's probably because you never found yourself in a situation that would warrant any adrenaline. I.E. about to win a race against some damn good specialists in a race you were not supposed to win? About to break an AR? About to be the first whitey under 27?

Adrenaline is only brought out in extreme circumstances, which is why like someone posted we often see amazing performances at Olympic trials that we never usually see from those people.

It's actually funny that you don't get this.

That said I'm going to go ahead and say that Chris wins this race today. I'm not predicting time because he doesn't race for time, just to win. So Chris is going to win today!!!

Ok, but what makes you think Solinsky couldn't repeat this performance? Why is his "adrenaline" in this race so special? Of course, athletes will have good days and bad days, but that's far from calling Solinsky's kick a once-in-a-lifetime thing that he can't repeat because adrenaline was what caused it, no evidence necessary. Do you realize the absurdity of that statement?

Furthermore, it's easy to come on here and say you're right and everyone is stupid for not believing you. It's much harder to actually find legitimate scientific research that backs up your assertions. Otherwise, they're just conjectures that you are assuming to be right without any critical thought.

These morons have imputed "adrenaline" to Chris Solinsky as the explanation for his 1:56 closing 800, because their petite brains cannot grasp any other explanation. I suppose it was "adrenaline" and not the ununusal physiology of Kenenisa Bekele which allowed him to run 26:17. Why don't you go pop a pill to artificially trigger an adrenaline response and see how that works for you...

chet wrote:

These morons have imputed "adrenaline" to Chris Solinsky as the explanation for his 1:56 closing 800, because their petite brains cannot grasp any other explanation. I suppose it was "adrenaline" and not the ununusal physiology of Kenenisa Bekele which allowed him to run 26:17. Why don't you go pop a pill to artificially trigger an adrenaline response and see how that works for you...

Why do you think he only ran that kind of time once or twice? If it was simply fitness and ability he should be able to roll that out once or twice a year no? Bekele was on that day, completely on, and when you're on you know it. And when you are on and coming to the end of a record race or major victory the adrenaline kicks in. You simply have that all or nothing mentality. The fitness and ability gives you the opportunity, the adrenaline takes you over the edge.

You are proving the exact point which you do not want to.

We all know guys who work out about as well as they race, we also know guys who race much better than they work out. The latter are ones who draw on much less adrenaline for workouts and much more for races. You were probably the former. Someone who draws so much adrenaline on a regualar basis that you've never experienced what a big boost feels like or can do for you in a race.

Nobody is saying Chris can't come up with it again, hey perhaps today he will if he finds himself with a shot to win if the paces slacks off, but I will promise you won't see it all summer long in every race because that doesn't happen.

Now that the hour is almost upon us, I say Lagat 3rd in 12:54, and Solinsky 4th in 12:55.