Steven Brule wrote:
Also, you are full of shit about it being a phenomenon amongst sub-elites. First of all, elites in warm weather areas do it as well. Secondly, you honestly want to pinpoint that as as a significant reason that these sub-elites aren't making the jump to elite status? That is beyond absurd. At most, it makes a tiny, tiny, tiny difference.
No, it is. I've trained everywhere with lots of other elites. The serious runners are wearing layers on their easy days in the summer (and we all know exactly what we're doing). The not-so-serious runners are shirtless. It's funny actually. Tiny, tiny, tiny difference? Besides seeing minutes fall off my times in the Half and Marathon (the difference between placing Top 10 at a US Championship, having a good pay day in the 10K-Marathon, or coming up short and wondering why).... Deena and Meb would likely not be Olympic medalists if it wasn't for the heat training they did in '04. Minutes in the marathon is HUGE if you're already at the top. Read Ron Daws book "The Self Made Olympian". He explicitely describes how he heat trained for the Olympic Trials. I already pointed to other Elite examples.
Do you have any research you can point to on heat training?
Already posted a few links on the first page. Here's a few more. Benji Durden even made the effort to reply on the Coolrunning thread.
Just thought of someone else: Christine Clark in 2000. Trained on her treadmill in Alaska to prepare for the 2000 Olympic Trials in South Carolina. Everyone else wilted on the warm day, while she came out of nowhere to win it with a 7 minute PR.
The only circumstance in which it probably makes a difference is when you're racing in extreme humidity. Then wearing extra layers makes sense, especially if you come from a more moderate environment.
Otherwise, I don't agree about the divide between elites and sub-elites. We can both provide countless examples of people training with or without a shirt. But your theory about sub-elites is arrogant and unfounded. This is a minor issue, at most.
fl distance coach, I run in Savannah, GA. The other morning I ran my tempo at 8 a.m. It was already in the 80s and humid. I felt like crap, had cramps, and was running 8.5 mile tempo at 6:22 pace through 6M, where I felt I was about ready to collapse, so I took off my shirt and carried it (it was quite heavy) for the rest and ran sub 6 the last 2.5M. So, here it was worth about thirty seconds per mile. Still my worst tempo of the year, but it sucks to run down here.
I went to Hoover High School in Birmingham, AL. We had this rule, but since summer practice is forbidden from having coaches present, we run without shirts anyway. During the season when we run on the track, we wear shirts and tough it out. When we do long runs, we go into the woods, and we take our shirts off if we want because we're well out of sight.
all the elites I have trained with day to day over the years have never wore shirts on warm/hot days of the spring/summer. This included well over a dozen different runners who have made several world teams.
We have a similar rule in my county that stemmed from our girls being harassed when running in just sports bras, specifically when a fairly voluptuous girl ran in a white bra on a rather rainy day and was hollered at by several passing cars. We even received phone calls.
The compromise is that we are now allowed to go shirtless only when staying on campus (mainly track workouts) and must have a shirt if off campus (almost all other running).
Oddly, most kids now choose to leave their shirt on all the time, even on hot track workout days.
I think you're on to something. But it's been since the 1980's since I've seen guys wearing cut off tank tops, with the exception of football practice.[quote]satuaerated wrote: