I must say that I agree with everyone on this post that defends crossfit. Apparently Alan is thick headed enough that he cannot read/hear what we are saying. Let me put it this way...I am a 30 year old female who has never been athletic. I have been doing crossfit for about 8 months, and I have seen DRAMATIC...let me say that again for the hard of hearing...DRAMATIC results. My body fat has dropped (not that I had much anyway), I am constantly cutting minutes off workouts when they come back aournd, and my weights are steadily increasing. I am not training for a marathon or a sport, but I feel that my lifestyle is healthier...and if you can get these results with less work and less time anywhere else, please let me know. As a full time college student and a full time worker, any 15 to 25 minute workout that can deliver these results is definitely for me. To all nay sayers, get out of the way, you are simply not cut out to work this hard at overall fitness.
Haha - Alan, I thought you said you were done, then you keep posting. If you have a decent coach that can teach proper form, you'll never load your spine period. And I have never seen back to back days where the same muscle is loaded heavy, ever. If you are killing yourself one day, the may kill yourself the next day, but it will be in an entirely different way, using different muscle's different ways. You obviously know nothing about how Crossfit is programmed.
You may like or hate crossfit (I'm guessing if you hate it, it has nothing to do with Crossfit itself, it has to do with duche bags that trash everything else besides Crossfit, which I don't like either) whatever, the thing that is one of coolest things about it, is that it has the Crossfit games which is open to ANYONE, you think you have a better way train for broad fitness, come and prove it. Do you have endurance? Can you also deadlift 500+#'s? Can you move your body through space gymnastically? Overall can you do all those better than someone else can? Come prove it. You can post here all you want, try to make points, thats fine, but I'm convinced by results. Someone comes to the games, wins and then says they do not train like Crossfitters do, I will honestly listen hard to what they say. But untill I see someone who can not only run a fast 10k, but also put 330# over their head, also carry weight up a mountain, and row, and can move themselves through space gymnastically, better than the Crossfitters I've seen do this the I will be a believer in Crossfit for BROAD fitness.
Decathletes cannot beat any specific athlete in any of the events they compete in, so does that mean they promote mediocrity?
at least all those workouts are specific to running if not random and stupid. the point that everyone is trying to make and is getting across is that if you are training for a specific sport or event - do those workouts necessary to excel in that event. if you want to be able to carry a bag of sand up hill, or flip a monster tire or deadlift 500 lbs, or do all three do crossfit. being able to do 50 kipping pullups won't necessarily improve your 10K time.
being able to do 50 kipping pullups won't necessarily improve your 10K time.
True. But wouldn't you say your overall fitness level might be better if you could do 50 kipping pullups, DL 400 lbs, and run a 40 min 10K then if you could only do a handful of pull ups, DL 200lbs and run a 25-30 (not really sure what a good 10K time is) minute 10K?
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So strength has nothing to do with fitness?
You are a weak little pussy!
I think strength has a lot to do with fitness. If someone can run a 25-30 minute 10K, that person definitely has a ton of strength and strength training is probably pretty important to getting that fast. I just don't think 50 kipping pullups will make you that fast.
in the same camp wrote:
I just don't think 50 kipping pullups will make you that fast.
Nobody on this thread has said that.
These guys look strong as shit:
Finally somebody with a sensible argument... granted im 24 been doing athletics since i was 12 and started crossfit a year ago. Im not as fast as I was in college as far as 800-3000 m but overall I am a fitter athlete "I" think. Also I don't pretend to know everything about crossfit, running, training, I just wanted to bring to light that this "program" of crossfit is a positive thing. Alan some of the training information you post makes sense but your an asshole in the way you formulate a decent argument... pull out all of the stops, try and qualify for the games and prove your arguments are valid. I wish you nothing but the best luck and im not being pretentious.
actually he has proven he is strong as shit with a pain threshold like no other... I bet bekele could dl at least 350:)
Coming from a martial arts background, I know a lot about pain. Crossfit prepares you in ways distance running cannot. Not only can I run faster now, but I can bench press my body weight, squat 1.25 times by bodyweight, do 20-25 kipping pullups, and my Fran Times is in the 4's. None of this would have been possible on a regimine of pure distance running. I also look much better than I did when I was just running. Girls are taking notice more often.
Why are you being argumentative, your just throwing fuel on the fire for the negative aspect of crossfit. First and foremost this is a distance running websight, and the best as far as covering covering that SPORT and all of athletics as a whole. To change a persons perspective of crossfit you can't be combatative like that to get a positive point across. That just screams F-U to the running community, so please help me to send a positive message about cf.
quote]fj wrote:
Coming from a martial arts background, I know a lot about pain. Crossfit prepares you in ways distance running cannot. Not only can I run faster now, but I can bench press my body weight, squat 1.25 times by bodyweight, do 20-25 kipping pullups, and my Fran Times is in the 4's. None of this would have been possible on a regimine of pure distance running. I also look much better than I did when I was just running. Girls are taking notice more often.[/quote]
Sorry. There are just too many people here disrespecting what we do.
fj wrote:
Sorry. There are just too many people here disrespecting what we do.
You're not getting respect because this is a competitive distance running website. It's not a fitness site or a "look how good I look in the mirror" website. I think most would agree that distance runners aren't the best "all-around" athletes, but that's not the goal. The goal is to get from point A to point B in the least amount of time. Cross fitting may help with that task, but there are more efficient uses of your time.
Cross fitting workouts will make you a better cross fitter. That's it. Proponents say it will make you a better athlete, but when pressed they admit it lacks the specificity necessary for most athletic endeavors. Will it make you fit? Sure it will. Just like Alan's program will also make you fit. It's a different flavor of workout, and people get turned off when proponents insist it's "the best" or "the only way."
Ten years from now cross fit will be looked back on as a fad. There will be a newer "better" program, probably one that's even more hardcore with trainers with even more tattoos.
mizuno wave goodbye wrote:
You're not getting respect because this is a competitive distance running website. It's not a fitness site or a "look how good I look in the mirror" website. I think most would agree that distance runners aren't the best "all-around" athletes, but that's not the goal. The goal is to get from point A to point B in the least amount of time. Cross fitting may help with that task, but there are more efficient uses of your time.
Cross fitting workouts will make you a better cross fitter. That's it. Proponents say it will make you a better athlete, but when pressed they admit it lacks the specificity necessary for most athletic endeavors. Will it make you fit? Sure it will. Just like Alan's program will also make you fit. It's a different flavor of workout, and people get turned off when proponents insist it's "the best" or "the only way."
Ten years from now cross fit will be looked back on as a fad. There will be a newer "better" program, probably one that's even more hardcore with trainers with even more tattoos.
I agree with everything said here, besides the "fad" aspect. CrossFit has already been around for at least 10 years and now it is bigger than ever and growing way too fast, which might actually be their downfall.
We'll see.
It's been around awhile, but its real growth has been in the last year. Right now it's the hip/cool thing to do, but it can't sustain itself. Within the next two years you'll see a lot of imitators come. They'll sully the image of Cross Fit and drive down its popularity. And the next big thing will take its place.
Remember TaeBo?
mizuno wave goodbye wrote:
Remember TaeBo?
Comparing CrossFit to TaeBo is a f***ing shame.