Adam,
Congrats on your 20-something place finish in the 4K yesterday. It's been a great career. Your PRs speak for themselves. Have a good life.
The Fat Lady
Adam,
Congrats on your 20-something place finish in the 4K yesterday. It's been a great career. Your PRs speak for themselves. Have a good life.
The Fat Lady
Too young to count him out yet. He's younger than BK and BK has shown what he can do.
IMHO.
Ahhh not true,,not according to my crystal ball, Goucher has a little something special to offer..and you poster...the crystal ball says you will in fact turn into a baton twirling, pink sock wearing,pink tight shorts wearing sissyboy ...
Adam Goucher was never close to being a BK. Not PR-wise, not U.S. domination-wise, not European circuit-wise and not Olympic-wise.
Just because a good 5K'er runs a fast mile does not mean he's ready to be a Bob Kennedy. More important for a 5K'er than the mile for gauging, is the 3K, which of course is another distance BK holds the U.S. record for. Oh yea, he's also been a better XC runner over the last decade.
The only edge Goucher shows is a 3:54 - 3:56 mile PR.
Goucher's been sidetracked bad with injuries, but he has already had a year that showed him in stellar shape and still came up well short of BK's feats. Just remember how BK raced the Africans and then recall how Goucher did. Quite a difference. Maybe w/o the injuries things would be different, but at the same time, he probably would not have improved by 13 seconds in the 5K.
No slight on Goucher, because I could be wrong, but BK's accomplishments are too great to pass off to the next promising runner.
uhhhh don't forget Goucher beat Bob in what was hailed at the time as the changing of the guard
If you ask me (not that anyone is) I think Adam should get a new coach. I mean...Wetmore was probably good for him as an 18-22 year old...but now, I think he needs to move on like Culpepper did, and find a coach that get keep him healthy...the guy as enough guts and talent that he can be top in the US on 60 miles a week...top 10 in the world on 75 miles a week.
That\'s just my O2 though
I don't think it's an issue of volume so much as it is an issue of how he runs them. I think that Wetmore's singles plan is injurious and if Goucher is training anywhere near the same fashion he was in the fall 1998 season I'm not suprised he's had the career he has had.
How the hell can you say that?
Most people use both facts and logic to prove an argument, but you didn't use either.
Care to elaborate?!?
It is allways hard to see when someone is in the middle of a ruff patch. I am a fan of high mileage training and I think that most people need it. But just what ''high miles '' are is diffrent for each one of us. And the fact that Gouch is getting hurt as much as he is, and not getting better is a pitty good indecator that he is running a bit to much for his body. A year of 70 mile weeks would do much more for hem in the longturm then these 100 mile stents. I do not think he is done, but I am sure that if things do not change soon he will loose some of the hope that makes hem a good runner. It cannot all be MW failt, when people get hurt sometimes that is a sine that there heart is not in the sport anymore. If he has lost his hunger then there is not anything that his coach can do. But unless he stays healty, then his coach will never known why he lost his hunger. I think he should stay with his coach, but they need to gear his training to haveing hem do as much as he can with health. I don't think a year of 100 miles weeks is going to do that much more then a year of 70 mile weeks for Gouch. He seems to run his bet times when he has been hurt, which would reflect that less for hem might be more. In anycase with all of his abilty and all the great races he still have the abilty to run it would be a same if he rooled up the rug.
It's how he runs them (based on running w/ the buffaloes): running too hardd to often and having zero reecovery runs.
1. how a guy trained for a period of 3-4 months almost six years ago says close to nothing about what he's doing now. Especially if he has a good coach (ex. Mark Wetmore) who is always learning and adjusting.
2. It takes a lot of gall and absolutely no sac to question Adam Goucher's heart and desire. That guy wants it more than anybody out there. If any of these message board champions were faced with one-quarter of what Goucher has had to go through since early 2000 they wouldn't still be out there chasing the dream.
3. Flash back to about one year ago, substitute "Bob Kennedy" for "Adam Goucher" and the conversation would be virtually the same. I'll bet all the message board champions who were getting their fat girlfriends to sing for the demise of Kennedy's career feel pretty intelligent about now.
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Gouch is fine, Wetmore's fine, all is well in the Superior/lousville area... patience friends, patience..
Goucher whined through college and has not changed since. He has no guts and makes excuses for his failers, but never looks thr truth in the eye. You suck! Stop whining about foreigners, injuries, etc. You have no career and need to admit that you suck as a runner.
It is easy to say bad things about a others. Bu we must keep inmind that none of will ever know what bumps in the road came along. AG had to live with a lot of stress, that he put on his one person. But rember life is a process of doing things wrong. None of has never not done something wrong. And when soneone has done something wrong, it is key that we let them realize it on there own. I think that AG might has put a lot of stress to win all races he is in on his being. But the fact of the matter is that no one can win all the time, no matter how good they are. In fact the the guys who run the best, Snell Lassi just a few accepted that winning all the time is not something that we can do. Hell the last great 'I win all the time'' runner Pre, got bet at the grand dance. And the runner who bet hem Lassie, was willing to loose at times. US runners need to accept that there are a lot of good runners in the world. And that it is allright to loose races. I think that this is on but no the only issue that is hurting AG.