Why did she transfer? Was she even any good?
Why did she transfer? Was she even any good?
Not happy with the direction things were going, I guess. She was low 17:0? for 5K on the track. 21's for 6K in XC. She was one of about 5 like that they had entering this past XC season.
where did she go? Sounds like they still have a few good ones remaining.
Athlete. Idiot. What office? Know the facts.
who are the front runners for the job this time?
IMO the school doesn't make a runner even though having a good program can help in developing a runner. Being very self-motivated Georgia State University is on my list of schools for college seeing as they have a strong public policy program which I intend to pursue. I hope they can get the coaching ordeal fixed though.
I still would like to know the facts. It makes me wonder more and more about what happened there. Head coach is gone after 4 months there, best athletes are transferring, it looks like a successful program is being wasted in less than 6 months... Why such a decline so quickly? Kamp inherited of the 2nd and 3rd best team in the conference and just didn't do anything with them... I am sure they didn't just stop running because their beloved former coaches were gone so what was really going on there and is there more to the story?
Op-to-myst wrote:
It has become very difficult being optimistic concerning the future of the distance program at GSU.
After the problem former athletic director was fired, several protaganists were left in a position of authority over the program by the new athletic director. These two who still have an axe to grind because of their connection with the former AD, continue to influence the direction of the program in a negitive way. Neither one would be considerd qualified to hold their positions at any other D1 schools.
Hiring the last coach was a prime example of lack of experience and not doing the due diligence required. One only had to look at the last three years experience and sucess or lack of sucess at Wright State U. Both the men's and women's team finished 7th or 8th out of 9 teams for the men and 10th for women the three years she was head coach.
Indeed, this year with her gone and her former assistant coach running the program at Wright State, the girls team actually improved one place from last year finishing 7th of 10 teams in their conference.
This was to be the year the GSU girls were prepared to challange for the championship. The last two years they were only a few points away from being runner up in the CAA XC Championship and the boys were runnerup.
However this year the boys team finished 7th and the girls team finish 8th.
Some of this was due to injuries and several of the girls top runners were granted a medical redshirt.
However, now I hear that one of the top runners is going to tranfer because of the coaching situation. Another very promising girl runner is also thinking about transfering.
Do I think that the current administration cares? I believe that they are mostly concerned about the new football program and the millions to be spent on bringing bigtime sports to GSU! Oh yeah, just like the basketball program is doing now, drawing big crowds like Ga Tech does.
What does this mean for the Cross Country program? One of the few sucessful athletic programs at Ga State under former Coaches, John Rowland and Jessica Raby now faces a sad demise because of the lack of interest by the new Athletic Director.
Other programs watch out!
This is the truth....op-to-myst does in fact know what he/she is talking about.... GSU distance is in the shitter....the track program will be following suit with that backstabbing rat Eric leading the program.
The administration says that XC is important. We will have to see. They say they are looking for a good coach. Again, we will see. Some good ones applied but never got an interview last time. Some good ones have applied this time. If they don't get an interview we know the truth about administration's intentions.
I think that a couple of things happened that allowed the coach that left to be hired - first, the people doing the hiring probably have no understanding of XC/distance training. How many outside of this sport think that distance runners just go out and run? They have no understanding of training and it would be easy with someone that has D1 experience on their resume (which is hugely overrated IMHO) to make themselves sound better than they really are. The job was not posted on the NCAA website for a long time. The season was getting close and they had to get someone in place. Also, was there the desire to hire a female? This added to the time constraints might have had something to do with the hire.
What went wrong - a bunch of the athletes actually had very good summers. Some even over did it. When they came into the season with injuries or potential injuries there was no oversight or management of these runners. They were pretty much left to their own to rehab, get back in to training, etc. Of course, they didn't get healthy and never ran. The healthy runners never felt like there was a plan to their training. They were basically just told to go run with very little guidance into paces or effort levels. Race plans were almost non existent. Practices got very lax. Things just went downhill and kept going.
lol@had a good summer. Those girls are psychos about their running and have no idea about their training, that's why they got injured
and optimist: your plastic comment was hilarious
Come on Coach Kamp, you did a poor job at best. Don't get on here trying to defend yourself.
I dont get the plastic comment? Please explain.
Why don't any Wright State runners defend their old coach?
Was she really a good coach?
NO support Cuz she did us wrong.
Ho did she "do you wrong"
Opt-to-myst and afriendrunsforgsu have pretty much nailed it. The team received NO COACHING this last year. IF they hire a new coach who's good it will be interesting to watch and see what happens. Right now there are only three male athletes returning, the rest pretty much graduated. So if the new coach is good, he or she should have some scholarship dollars he might be able to attract some local athlete's and/or go to Africa and buy some. Only problem is most of the better athletes will probably have committed. The girls are a different bunch. As far as I know, they've lost only the one to another school.
Rumor has it that Whittlesey is back in the mix. Couldn't handle being "assistant" cross country coach under Redwine.
I can tell you this right now about this job. I am a college coach looking to get back into the profession, but from all the crap I've read on here, and from what I can read between the lines, this program is a mess. For the record I have had a decent amount of success with "2nd-3rd tier development type" athletes who have run sub 3:45, 13:50, 8:35st 29:00 on the men's side, & sub 2:05, 4:20, 16:30, & 34:10 on the women's side-and I haven't even bothered to apply for this job. It should be a lesson for those athletes out there who feel the need to make their gripes public-it only hurts your program more when you put your dirty laundry out for everybody to see. That isn't the type of attention anybody of quality wants to walk into on day one. It's too bad really, I know that if hired I could have done something with the type & level of recruits that a school like GA State attracts. Oh well, on to the next opportunity.
Doubtful you have too many opportunities waiting for you... especially trying to "get back into the profession". Anyone in your position would jump on any opportunity to coach at D-I level, let alone a HEAD coaching position.
You obviously:
1) have never coach at D-I level
and
2) are a white male
Good luck, HA!
[quote]too good to coach? wrote:
"Anyone in your position would jump on any opportunity to coach at D-I level, let alone a HEAD coaching position."quote]
I think YOU are the one who doesn't know anything about the D-I coaching biz-even if you are a coach yourself! Not all coaching situations are ideal and can end up being absolute hell for a coach once they are in place. The wise candidate, especially one that knows he could make the final pool of 3 or 5, looks at what the program has to offer over the long haul. What is the funding like? Will they be stuck at the same salary in 5 years b/c the athletic department just doesn't have any money or the capacity to fund raise? Can they only afford a very regional meet schedule, or do they hit the big meets? Who is the Head Track Coach and what are they like-they make the real decisions, even if there is a "Head Cross Country" designation? I could tell you numerous stories of coaches at all levels taking positions and then regretting even applying. It's is definitely best to go in with your eyes open, rather than be blindsided by a no win situation.