Besides Fayetteville-Manlius and Saratoga, there is Shenendehowa, Burnt Hills, Queensbury... the list goes on and on.
How does this happen? How are they consistently able to outdo Texas, California, and so on?
Besides Fayetteville-Manlius and Saratoga, there is Shenendehowa, Burnt Hills, Queensbury... the list goes on and on.
How does this happen? How are they consistently able to outdo Texas, California, and so on?
They use 7th and 8th graders, 6 year programs.
I think jr. hs. has something to say anout this, but he is probably still sleeping well thank you very much.
I definately agree that getting the kids at an earlier age helps, but other states allow it as well.
because NY is awesome. west coasters are lazy. and texas is just a joke
Shen, Saratoga, Queensbury are all with in 20 miles of each other also.
couldbe wrote:
I definately agree that getting the kids at an earlier age helps, but other states allow it as well.
The rare, exceptional talent in the 7th and 8th grades can get pulled onto varsity, but this is very rare. Once every few years at most. Typically 7th and 8th graders train and compete with modified (7th/8th/and some 9th graders).
Um, didn't Toga have three 8th graders running in Portland last year?
saratoga is good because of art and linda kranick
shen is good because if they don't figure out a way to beat saratoga, they'll never make it to states
shen and burnt hills are good because if they don't beat saratoga they'll never win a league title
then queensbury has to beat burnt hills if they want to go to states (also they have really good twins and probably won't be that good anymore once they graduate)
Didn't Hilton win the race a few years ago?
blargh wrote:
Didn't Hilton win the race a few years ago?
Do you mean Paris Hilton?
blargh wrote:
Didn't Hilton win the race a few years ago?
Yes. Hilton is nowhere near FM, and even farther away from Shen/Toga/BH/Qbury.
To take it a bit further, how are UPSTATE NY girls always so good. All the teams mentioned are upstate. There are exceptions of course, so don't anybody go mental, but boys and girls upstate seem to dominate.
The boys are not as good. Look at how the NY boys placed at nationals. If it werent for the girls (hence having to have a separate NY qualifier to make it fair for the world) the boys teams likely would not make it at all.
Why are they not the same powerhouses?
Coaching, coaching, coaching.....
Genetics
Work, work, work......
Upstate runners rule the state and the country. Why?
Intelligence. It has some the best Universities/Colleges in a small area in the nation (Colgate, Cornell, Syracuse, Lemoyne, Hamilton, and many others) The kids and the coaches are smart.
Work ethic. People in upstate don't believe in free rides. People there are not given much but earn everything they have. The kids on teams work hard just like parents.
Discipline. It can be tough in upstate and the people are consistent and success oriented. They learn to work through many obstacles. They are goal oriented.
Its a special breed.
Conundrum wrote:
Upstate runners rule the state and the country. Why?
Intelligence. It has some the best Universities/Colleges in a small area in the nation (Colgate, Cornell, Syracuse, Lemoyne, Hamilton, and many others) The kids and the coaches are smart.
Work ethic. People in upstate don't believe in free rides. People there are not given much but earn everything they have. The kids on teams work hard just like parents.
Discipline. It can be tough in upstate and the people are consistent and success oriented. They learn to work through many obstacles. They are goal oriented.
Its a special breed.
That just sounds ridiculous. It is, in all likelihood, none of those things primarily.
Coaching is the big one. Imagine upstate New York schools as like individuals on a cross country team. By themselves, they would never be nationally successful. But because they see their "teammates" dominating and raising the bar locally and nationally, they raise their own bars to be able to compete. You recruit harder, you train harder, you work harder.
Now once you get a successful team, the recruiting game is much easier. And as long as the rest of the parts are in place (competitive drive, quality training) it works like a well-olied machine.
Gus wrote:
Coaching, coaching, coaching.....
Yea, the coaches in upstate NY know things the rest of us don't know. The odd thing is is that what they know works best for girls, doesn't have quite the same effect on boys or at least not consistently the same effect.