I am concerned for this guy's mental situation now because of the injuries he's having. When you can't relax and be able to "go full throddle" because you think you will get hurt, is not a good thing.
I am concerned for this guy's mental situation now because of the injuries he's having. When you can't relax and be able to "go full throddle" because you think you will get hurt, is not a good thing.
Fernandez does seem injury prone, but he is in a lot better situation than Nelson. I think Smith will do whatever it takes to try and keep him healthy. Nelson probably didn't have that luxury at Oregon. Not a knock on Dellinger, it just he had a lot of athletes, both college and post college, was head track coach, and coached more at a team level, not individual.
Let's see how track season goes before writing German off. Lot's of guys have had a few injuries and looked like they were done or on the downside (Ritz comes to mind) and then come back after getting some solid training time together.
Biggest thing German and Smith need to do is stay away from workouts. Build a solid base of mileage for 3-4 months and then race in April, May, June. Take 2 weeks off, and then build a base for Cross Country.
If German runs Indoors, it is clear that Smith can not control German. Kid has no base. He needs to STAY AWAY FROM WORKOUTS and run mileage, tempos and strides.
yes because you know how to coach better than Smith, who has just won NCAAs
Well Fernandez had nothing to do with how the team ultimately did by winning the championships. Is there any nerd/s out there who can find out if Fernandez is the worst placing 5th man in the history of a team that won a championship, he was 97th overall(not his team score which was 77th)
history101 wrote:
Well Fernandez had nothing to do with how the team ultimately did by winning the championships. Is there any nerd/s out there who can find out if Fernandez is the worst placing 5th man in the history of a team that won a championship, he was 97th overall(not his team score which was 77th)
Oh, there he is, I seriously looked through page after looking for him. I thought he DNSed, because I couldn't find him.
I knew he wasn't just jogging his races, letting his teamates win. He would have been the 6th man for Oregon. Luke P. (21/17), Centro (27/23), Klotz (29/25), Daniel Mercado (31/27), Diego Mercado (61/51). What is that 4 All-American certs?
Chris Derrick meanwhile has clearly taken the lead in being the top of his class.
Setting the 2-Mile record is a total jinx man. It really killed Pre and Virgin.
wtf is a "throddle"?
deer alan goucher, you need to were orthodics so you can run full throddle.
Random Loser wrote:
Setting the 2-Mile record is a total jinx man. It really killed Pre and Virgin.
idk about Virgin, but it definitely killed Pre
Nah Bra! Barringer is the one who REALLY SUCKS!!!!! talk about being afraid because someone is NEXT to you! As far as Derrick nice race too bad you didn't think of your team first and help them get going BUT hey you did get 3rd place. BUT your team CHOKED HARD because of you were not a team player today guy. So when you said you were only concerned about your team winning today? Stop lying Bra. You had NO chance what so ever to beat Chelenga, he was gonna destroy you no matter what.
BUT Barringer took the winnie today for the BIGGEST CHOCKER of the meet! Maybe she will never be a good XC runner, but who cares! XC is a nothing sport, T&F is what really matters XC is just base training ONLY!
dang dude calm down
Well then... wrote:
... As far as Derrick nice race too bad you didn't think of your team first and help them get going BUT hey you did get 3rd place. BUT your team CHOKED HARD because of you were not a team player today guy. So when you said you were only concerned about your team winning today? Stop lying Bra. You had NO chance what so ever to beat Chelenga, he was gonna destroy you no matter what.
It does seem strange that Stanfor totally fell apart today, seemingly because they did not have Derrick holding their hands throughout the race.
Fernandez is not the next Nelson and has already run faster at 5k (as did Virgin and Pre) as a true frosh. Kids that run 100-120 or more miles per week or more, peak in high school with a sub-9:00 or sub-8:50 for two-miles, and then are never to be heard from again are the next Jeff Nelson, with a very few notable exceptions.
I got a chance to talk to Jeff at a meet in Utah several years ago. We got on to what happened at Oregon his first year. Had a huge problem with a great runner there. At the same time a bad injury. I hope Smith and German are getting along. Smith's interview he made a few comments like"I don't know what he meant there." When talking about something German was saying. Maybe I'm wrong but just sounded a little rocky or something. I'm probably wrong.
Here's a link to an article from 1990, unfortunately the cached version. Unfortunate that he could not overcome the injury cycle, even after he left Oregon. But he was amazing for a brief period of time, as was Eric Reynolds, Bryan Dameworth, and so many other California runners who flame out in college with injuries.
"After running 100 miles a week--including a high of 142--during the summer, Nelson entered the cross-country season in phenomenal shape. In the Mt. SAC Invitational, he ran 14:32 to smash the course record of 14:56."
Sagarin wrote:
Fernandez is not the next Nelson and has already run faster at 5k (as did Virgin and Pre) as a true frosh.
Nelson never ran a 5K when he was frosh.
I meant faster than Nelson ever did.
From The Stands wrote:
Fernandez does seem injury prone, but he is in a lot better situation than Nelson. I think Smith will do whatever it takes to try and keep him healthy. Nelson probably didn't have that luxury at Oregon. Not a knock on Dellinger, it just he had a lot of athletes, both college and post college, was head track coach, and coached more at a team level, not individual.
Dellinger was a meat grinder who was not able to coach athletes individually, as was Bowerman's approach.
Consequently Dellinger burned out or turned off hoards of athletes. For every athlete Dellinger had success with, there are 50 he failed. He failed them by not delivering the individually prescribed coaching that Bowerman founded the Oregon way on, and he failed them personally, as he was a simple man without much social intelligence.
List out the guys who availed themselves of not being coached by Dellinger after they graduated.
List out the guys who dropped out during or after their freshman years.
The record of that side of Dellingers' career has never truly been written.
But the stories are all out there in ever year that Dellinger coached.
In that hayday at Oregon there was a few different kinds of profiles...
1. The stud talents that could survive and succeed under almost any workload and approach - the undeniable great talents.
2. Top talents that gave it there all but fell short due to burnout.
3. Top talents that knew they were being over worked and got burned out and dropped off the team. --This includes freshman who had run 1:51, 1:52 in high school. And other solid talents, that Bowerman would have nurtured individually/...Dellinger trained in a pac, and burned the majority out.
That is the truth about Dellinger that you rarely see written.
Why do you think it took so long for Oregon to have another great era?
After Dellinger destroyed a hoard of athletes that Pre attracted to Oregon (for every Salazar there was 5 guys Dellinger failed), if not for the J. Cruz era, Dellinger would have had a totally pedestrian legacy after Salazar's era. And, Salazar was very self coached.
It is all ancient history now, but I doubt a real critical review history of Dellinger's real career results and his real legacy will ever be written.
He was a nice enough guy, but he fluked into Pre, an athlete who could handle his workload. He tried ever after to give that same workload to everyone else, and after the wave of guys attracted to Oregon by Pre's limelight...Dellinger's bright spots became fewer and fewer.
His two best athletes? Salazar half coached himself. J. Cruz, arrived with his own coach.
Nelson ran around 13:45 as a freshman. He is on the all-time US Junior list. I'm certain of it. Does anyone have a link to this lsit?
It always amazes me how people look at the NCAA Cross Country championships and base any meaning on that to the rest of a clearly talented runner's career.
Its cross country. Its only really important to the guys contending for the individual win and the numerous others that will never qualify for the real deal-outdoor NCAA, US champs, Olympic Trials.
Rueben Reina, John Trautman, Henry Rono have all had bad days at the NCAA Cross champs and finished where Fernandez did. Ryan Hall as well.