Is the Oregon dynasty done already?

in the meantime u texas, usc, u arkansas, ucla are carrying the u.s. flag to the olympics and iaaf wc and marathon majors medal stand.

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Uhm,

We're just getting started.

The long morass that was the 30 year Dellinger-Smith overrated era is over.

Vin will accomplish more in 8 years, than Dellinger did in 25.

Happy Ducks wrote:

Uhm,

We're just getting started.

The long morass that was the 30 year Dellinger-Smith overrated era is over.

Vin will accomplish more in 8 years, than Dellinger did in 25.

Wow, Dellinger coached runners to the top level in the world during his time, surprised a Duck would disrespect him so. Vin is doing a fantastic job but he'll need to get Wheating and Centro to about 3:31 and some guys to around 12:55 in order to compare to what Dellinger did in terms of the level he was able to take his athletes to.

I'm sure Malmo or some of the other older boys with better memory can give you better examples of where Dellinger athletes ranked in the world while running at Oregon.

Not ripping on Vin in the least because I think he's doing marvelous things in so many different ways, just wondering why you, supposedly a part of that tradition would rip a legend like Dellinger. Granted in his twighlight things dwindled, but the man was getting old and American distance running as a whole was crap. It was largely the Irish, Canadian, Australian, Tanzanian etc. elements of teams like Arkansas that shone brightly during that time.

ummm...ever hear of Jordan Hasay?

Off the top of my head Dellinger coached numerous Olympians in the distances. Has to be more than any collegiate coach of his era or since. But other than Danny Lopez in the Steeple in 1992 they were all running in the time period 1972-1980. He didn't have near that type of success in the 15 years to follow. Jim Hill was probably his last top echelon distance runner and he graduated in 1984.

Dellinger inherited a job coaching at a place where kids desired to go, he never learned to recruit because he didn't have to. Or he didn't want to.

Oregon has a really good program and we should respect them.

Wow. I had to laugh at this response, because from my perspective your assumptions are completely understandable but totally wrong and naive.

Because I was there. So, no need to talk to Malmo. Malmo wasn't a Duck. Malmo sometimes seems astute on this site, and sometimes like an abrasive hot head. So, I don't put a ton of stock in his opinions unless I agree with them, in which instances he seems like a flipping genius. So, maybe I should, on second thought, have a beer with Malmo, we'd probably have some laughs.

I'll finish my answer to you with these things.

Bowerman's overriding philosophy was to pay hard attention to not over training the athlete.

Despite Bowerman's reputation for poor social graces, needling, brutish honesty, and odd, maybe even disgusting jokes and pranks -- I've never met a former Bowerman athlete who didn't mist over with love when talking about the guy and his coaching.

Bowerman succeeded over long periods of time, often coaching athletes who weren't even among the best in the nation in high school, to world class performances.

Vin and his coaching staff seem to really care about their athletes, and the athletes seem to be having a lot of fun and a ton of team spirit, and achieving excellent results.

Now, what have I not said?

Despite Bowerman's reputation for poor social graces, needling, brutish honesty, and odd, maybe even disgusting jokes and pranks -- I've never met a former Bowerman athlete who didn't mist over with love when talking about the guy and his coaching.

Bowerman succeeded over long periods of time, often coaching athletes who weren't even among the best in the nation in high school, to world class performances.

Vin and his coaching staff seem to really care about their athletes, and the athletes seem to be having a lot of fun and a ton of team spirit, and achieving excellent results.

Now, what have I not said?[/quote]

Well, it sounds like you didn't run for Bowerman, didn't run for Vin, did run for Dellinger but didn't run very well and hence blame Dellinger. I've heard that Dellinger didn't give p@ssies the time of day, guess you were one.

crying on the adidas trail wrote:

Despite Bowerman's reputation for poor social graces, needling, brutish honesty, and odd, maybe even disgusting jokes and pranks -- I've never met a former Bowerman athlete who didn't mist over with love when talking about the guy and his coaching.

Bowerman succeeded over long periods of time, often coaching athletes who weren't even among the best in the nation in high school, to world class performances.

Vin and his coaching staff seem to really care about their athletes, and the athletes seem to be having a lot of fun and a ton of team spirit, and achieving excellent results.

Now, what have I not said?

Well, it sounds like you didn't run for Bowerman, didn't run for Vin, did run for Dellinger but didn't run very well and hence blame Dellinger. I've heard that Dellinger didn't give p@ssies the time of day, guess you were one.[/quote]

Hahahah. Nice try, but you're not smart enough to have considered all the variables.

Bowerman and Dellinger coached at Oregon for quite a few years -- together.

Dellinger, to his credit, gave everyone the time of day. He stood there in the rain and called out splits for guys who couldn't break 2:07 in the half mile -- and then he walked over and clocked the rest of us. So, I don't know who in hell you've been talking to.

I ran very well at Oregon, as a matter of fact, and I am completely PROUD of my Oregon career.

None of this is relevant to the fact that the last 15 years of Dellinger's coaching career were indeed uneven and mostly, undistinguished.

For Oregon Track fans, the lean years were indeed a morass.

Alumni of both coaches, are thrilled with Vin's current stewardship of the program and subsequent results.

Well, it sounds like you didn't run for Bowerman, didn't run for Vin, did run for Dellinger but didn't run very well and hence blame Dellinger. I've heard that Dellinger didn't give p@ssies the time of day, guess you were one.[/quote]

Hahahah. Nice try, but you're not smart enough to have considered all the variables.

Bowerman and Dellinger coached at Oregon for quite a few years -- together.

Dellinger, to his credit, gave everyone the time of day. He stood there in the rain and called out splits for guys who couldn't break 2:07 in the half mile -- and then he walked over and clocked the rest of us. So, I don't know who in hell you've been talking to.

I ran very well at Oregon, as a matter of fact, and I am completely PROUD of my Oregon career.

None of this is relevant to the fact that the last 15 years of Dellinger's coaching career were indeed uneven and mostly, undistinguished.

For Oregon Track fans, the lean years were indeed a morass.

Alumni of both coaches, are thrilled with Vin's current stewardship of the program and subsequent results.[/quote]

I'm thinking of a variable that you may not have considered. It is possible that Dellinger was a great coach for a certain era of mentality and when the "me, me, me" vaggie mentality rolled around in the late 80's and 90's that he just wasn't the right coach for that needy, self serving MTV generation mentality.

Didn't Dellinger coach himself to the Olympics and get a bronze the week he lost like 10 lbs from a virus? He doesn't sound like much of a sissy and that's probably why he had good results from tough heads like Pre, Salazar, McCesney, Rudy, Centro Sr. and such because those guys were rock solid. When you started getting the sensitive types who needed special and personal attention Dellinger probably just couldn't be made to whipe their butts and maybe that's why he lost his fire for coaching and recruiting.

It's clear that Vin is great at working with all personalities and doing the necessary personality quirk hand holding that is needed now days. Think of all the eccentric personalities he has made into NCAA or even national class talents.

I personally have a hard time believing that Bowerman would be successful in this day and age. He'd probably have about 34 different lawsuits against him for the very things that made him a great coach during the era he coached.

Women will win the Outdoors and Indoors for the next 3-4 years. Deal with it.

Anyone remember that quote of Dellinger in Track and Field News shortly before he retired? Something about not getting excited watching 14:30 5000's at dual meets.

Repeat to yourselves "They're Just Getting Started."

;-)

Most of these foreigners recruited themselves to Oregon. They were either referred by personal friendships, or contacted Oregon themselves. Bowerman wasn't not about recruiting or developing foreign talent, but he was a worldly guy, so if a friendly contact referred someone he had open ears, Dellinger had almost ZERO desire to recruit or admit foreign student athletes.

And you know, it is good to have some foreigners in the college experience, just not an entire XC team of older foreigners...