Maybe they were poisoned at a water station. It's a weird world out there. Has anyone even mentioned the possibility? It was three deaths within sixteen minutes all near the end of the race. That's quite a coincidence. I want to see the tox report.
Maybe they were poisoned at a water station. It's a weird world out there. Has anyone even mentioned the possibility? It was three deaths within sixteen minutes all near the end of the race. That's quite a coincidence. I want to see the tox report.
I'm sure somebody has already pointed this out, since the thread is 5+ pages long, but this is NOT a story about three runners who died while running a marathon.
It's a story about three runners who died while running a half-marathon.
Two of them died in the 11th or 12 mile. The third died just after crossing the line in 1:53. All three were registered in the half-marathon. None were registered in, or running, the marathon.
This is not, in other words, a story about underconditioned runners attempting the brutal marathon distance yada yada yada.
Different story, this time.
13.1 miles is not very far and doing that in 1:53 isn't running. When an article gets posted about 3 people dieing at the Detroit Marathon. Its a direct blow to a sport we love, running, and they were joggers see the difference? If you don't go post somewhere else you don't belong here. Because asking us what we think of people dieing in a marathon is about the same relation to our sport as people dieing snowmobiling in a high risk avalanche areas. They were being dumb and trying something outside there abilities.
It sucks for them and their families but in no way did they die doing the same sport we do.
Since when is there something sacred in dying? Happens all the time, every second of the day in fact. Get over it, it's going to happen to you and everyone you know, too.
sigghhhh wrote:
M Runner wrote:You people arguing that we should be blaming the deceased for not being prepared, or not knowing that running the marathon was going to kill them are a black spot on this sport, not to mention hypocritical to the nth degree. It makes me sick to call myself a runner and be grouped with you.
Look- those of you are arguing that you go to races and see people around you who are fat, out of shape, should not be running a marathon, etc, and these people got what they deserved. The deceased from this race, not to mention Ryan Shay's death, were runners in decent shape. It could have been any one of us. I think one of the runners had already run something like 50 marathons. They were healthy. Have some respect for the dead. These were healthy people, who tragically died, unaware of a hidden time bomb ticking inside them. The autoposies were inconclusive. Lets face it, there is a horrifying chance that any one of us could go out for a run and drop dead without any prior warning. So quit blaming the victims here, and show a little humanity.
The levels to which this message board reaches hypocrisy is an alarming representation of humanity. Ryan Shay dies in Central Park, and an outpouring of grief comes through. Three local runners die, none of which apparently had the same cardiac issues that Ryan Shay knew he had, and you people jump at the chance to blame anyone you think might be slower than you for being so foolish to think that they can train and do something that you are so obviously better at doing. Better take a good look in the mirror next time you head out the door and pray you are as healthy as you think you are. My utmost respect for the deceased, and condolences for the families.
An outpouring of grief came through for Ryan Shay? Get your facts straight buster! This message board was ravaged for weeks by people accusing Shay of abusing PEDs and dying as a result... many of the threads starting within minutes of Hall's win. The mods deleted most of them, but letsrunners certainly did a stellar job of living up to their "no blow is too low, let's always focus on the negative" reputation. There is no human being whose death letsrunners wouldn't seek to piss all over in a heartbeat once it makes the news. Get used to it or head over to the runnersworld forums!
I hate to say it but that was my first reaction as well... it just seems too weird to be coincidence
Fat Boy wrote:
Maybe they were poisoned at a water station. It's a weird world out there. Has anyone even mentioned the possibility? It was three deaths within sixteen minutes all near the end of the race. That's quite a coincidence. I want to see the tox report.
not in agreement wrote:
provoke someone else with questions. i'm not biting and debating. although it was a bit of a ramble, i think my opinion is quite clear. And i'm not alone. You're free to disagree.
Cheers!
You're right, the rambling nonsensical post was so filled with wisdom there is no point in defending it. It stands alone.
I'm saddened by these three deaths, and perplexed when reading some of these posts by people who are insensitive to the tragedy.
I do find it strange that if all these people were so interested in knowing who won the race and discussing how it played out, why didn't they create a post about just that topic well ahead of this post. Based on how posts usually get answered on here, I'm pretty sure it would have played out like this:
Initial Post:
The Detroit Marathon was won by John Doe by 9 seconds, and Julie Smith by 2:55. John ran a 2:20+ and Julie a 2:3x.
First and only reply:
Who cares. It's the Detroit marathon. It's not like it was a big major. Mediocre marathons like Detroit are a dime a dozen. And it's not like those were elite times. I ran that time during a race prep last week.
Next.
thanks, Mike in Austin TX
Mike yer awesome.
Pat yerself on the back.
DUI
Wow, you are the perfect example of Let's Run jackass prowling this site. Does it make you feel better to insult other runners - 3 others runners WHO DIED doing something they enjoyed. Does calling them joggers make you feel better about yourself? I don't expect you to understand this, but your attitude makes me regret I ever use this web site.
Long Run wrote:
13.1 miles is not very far and doing that in 1:53 isn't running. When an article gets posted about 3 people dieing at the Detroit Marathon. Its a direct blow to a sport we love, running, and they were joggers see the difference? If you don't go post somewhere else you don't belong here. Because asking us what we think of people dieing in a marathon is about the same relation to our sport as people dieing snowmobiling in a high risk avalanche areas. They were being dumb and trying something outside there abilities.
It sucks for them and their families but in no way did they die doing the same sport we do.
I love this part - so typical of this forum: "I forget the reasoning because it's been some time (and i'm at work now so i'd rather not look it up".The next time you are typing a post, and the thought crosses your mind that you may not know what the hell you are talking about and you should do a little research before sending your message, follow up on that.
not in agreement wrote:
i'm not saying that I agree with BM-GF. I mean I do in some ways (I think our sport should be more exclusive) but I don't in other ways.
Just wanted to point out that I believe I've read that ryan shay was indeed aware of his condition. Although most are not, I'm pretty sure he was. I forget the reasoning because it's been some time (and i'm at work now so i'd rather not look it up), but for some reason the articles I read at the time either implied or directly stated that his enlarged heart actually helped him in many ways. He knew he'd have problems as an adult but it actually was to his advantage in running. Right? Or no?
With that being said, i completely disagree that people are "neglectful" if they don't realize they have a heart condition. Most people who have that don't realize it until something goes wrong. You don't just go get your heart checked out when you're in high school and college running.
this thread has made me ashamed to be part of this community.
on a related note with regard to some of these threads in general; has anyone stopped to think what would happen in the unlikely event that a sports writer/publication decided to put together a piece on the culture of sub-elite runners and read through some of these threads? HS, if they had the inclination, they could tear this sport a new one (and be telling the truth). If I were an non-runner athlete (I.e. foot/basketball) and I read through some of these threads the impression I would have is: "wow, runners are a bunch of b&tches."
if we want this sport to be held in the same esteem as any other major sport, it's upper-echelon athletes (and participants of these threads) need to hold themselves and their public discourse to higher standards.
(*disclaimer: some of the threads are constructive)
Mike in Austin TX wrote:
I'm saddened by these three deaths, and perplexed when reading some of these posts by people who are insensitive to the tragedy.
What the hell is so tragic about it, melodramatic princess? They were affluent people participating in a leisure activity. Tragedy is children lingering and dying because of lack of medicine or even clean water. Tragedy is a group of villages starving to death because of drought brought on by climate change because your fat ass has to ride around in an SUV. Perspective, please.
one-time poster wrote:
this thread has made me ashamed to be part of this community.
Then please go away and never return, self-righteous a-hole. The sooner the better.
uckfay ooyay wrote:
What the hell is so tragic about it, melodramatic princess? They were affluent people participating in a leisure activity. Tragedy is children lingering and dying because of lack of medicine or even clean water. Tragedy is a group of villages starving to death because of drought brought on by climate change because your fat ass has to ride around in an SUV. Perspective, please.
Kanye, is that you?
Confirmed, hit my target.
Mike in Austin TX wrote:
I do find it strange that if all these people were so interested in knowing who won the race and discussing how it played out, why didn't they create a post about just that topic well ahead of this post.
There is just such a "post", right here:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1&id=3261697&thread=3256982And you're right, it wasn't as popular as this thread.
Crap, wrong link! Try here:
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