Arthur Lydiard and his statements

the truth: wrote:

He was a blood "doper" (wasn´t illegal those days) as much as his competitors were.

No, I don't understand what you mean. What do you really mean?

My Finnglish is not very good.

Why won't you say whether Viren was a blood doper? Aren't you "the truth:?" Is it maybe because you are a Finn? But I know that you are an obnoxious jackass.

the truth: wrote:

YOU have to stop being ridiculous. You seem to be just like Arthur was. Face the truth.

I'd be thrilled with a compliment like that if I thought you had the slightest idea of what you're talking about.

I thought your point was that Lydiard didn't coach Viren. Now you ARE in fact accusing Lydiard to have lied and insult him with nothing to prove on your part except to shout out "But Vasala's book" which, for all WE know, is completely out of print for the last 30 years.

How do you expect us to listen to what you present as psydo-"truth" when you can't even get your own story straight?

the truth: wrote:

You know what I mean.

Accept the fact that Lydiard lied in that tv interview I´ve mentioned which has been proved in that Vasala´s book. You or anyone else just can´t deny that.

I heard this guy from Norway saw your dead mom walking into a hotel with this Russian guy. So your mom is a whore; I'm just saying... This is the truth!

This is your logic. You know, I used to like Vasala. I thought he was cool. And you know what happened in 1968; Finnish Federation wasn't keen on sending young Vasala to Mexico City Olympics because he was not good enough. It was Lydiard as Finnish national coach (not just giving a couple of lectures in Finland) who said it would be good for him for the next Olympics. Vasala got eliminated in the first round heat in 68 but went on, as I hope you know, and won the gold in 72. It's pretty much a public knowledge that his training was heavily influenced by Lydiard via his personal coach, which Lydiard publicly gave credit for. With all this, and Vasala outwardly criticezed Lydiard for lying and, from this one stinking TV interview which he may or may not even understood (with English), "his mouth open", I'd say Vasala is a man with NO honor and sincerity and respect. What a jerk! Now I hate Finns and feel disgusted with Vasala. See what you have accomplished? Nice going!

oh, and i just realized that truth is a fake. No one's English grammar and spelling start out that awful and then are miraculously corrected.

the truth. wrote:

All you american priks can go to hell, while you're at it.

You don't know finnish, so suck it.

Obviously, you are either a 15 year old pimple-faced nerd or, in by any chance you ARE adult, someone with NO taste or social grace. But, hey, this is letsrun. You can be a total a$$hole and you blend in perfectly. Have a nice day.

About 20 years I saw an interview where this Kenyan runner had read a book written in Swahili where this other Kenyan runner says that Viren admitted to him that he took steriods. It was written in a book and talked about in a television interview so therefore IT IS THE TRUTH, YOU MUST ACCEPT IT. DO NOT DENY THIS, IT IS THE TRUTH.

It seems to me that you are a jerk, not Vasala. It doesn´t matter how much Vasala´s training was influenced by Lydiard, what matters is that Lydiard wasn´t his coach so Lydiard lied. This is a fact. At least Vasala wasn´t telling in TV that Arthur lied, he just told the truth quietly in his book. You feel disgusted with Vasala and hate Finns? Maybe you should try some medication or therapy, that kind of feelings are not healthy.

HRE wrote:

I'd be thrilled with a compliment like that if I thought you had the slightest idea of what you're talking about.

I´m not talking my own ideas, I´m just writing from Pekka Vasala´s real life experience. You are not enough a man to even admit that Arthur COULD HAVE at least exaggerated a bit. Face it, your hero did lie.

HHH wrote:

About 20 years I saw an interview where this Kenyan runner had read a book written in Swahili where this other Kenyan runner says that Viren admitted to him that he took steriods. It was written in a book and talked about in a television interview so therefore IT IS THE TRUTH, YOU MUST ACCEPT IT. DO NOT DENY THIS, IT IS THE TRUTH.

Is this the best you can do? Try to stay with facts, like I do.

the truth: wrote:Is this the best you can do? Try to stay with facts, like I do.

Why don't you just get the book and read it yourself if you don't believe me, you moron. But you are stupid if you don't believe me because I speak THE TRUTH.

I taught Viren how to speak Swahili.

You keep digging yourself in a deeper hole, moron.

So in your black and white world, everything which deviates from the truth is a lie.So when Arthur exaggerates, he is, in fact, lying.But to call an exaggeration a lie, is also stretching the truth, as there is a subtle difference in meaning. So that, in and of itself, is a lie.And to say "Vasala's statements" are "Lydiard's statements" is another lie.So are you lying all the time, when you tell the truth? Can anyone tell the truth by this black and white standard?Or is there a double-standard with respect to the truth, when you and Vasala speak? You are just recounting the gospel according to Vasala.I wonder, would Vasala and Viren have succeeded in the Olympics without Lydiard? I guess we can never know. But what is a coach, if not someone who brings out the otherwise unrealized potential of talented athletes?

the truth: wrote:

I´m not talking my own ideas, I´m just writing from Pekka Vasala´s real life experience. You are not enough a man to even admit that Arthur COULD HAVE at least exaggerated a bit. Face it, your hero did lie.

Au contraire, truthsayer, I too am simply telling the truth.

the truth: wrote:

You are splitting hairs.

the truth: wrote:

You keep digging yourself in a deeper hole, moron.

Why do you keep denying THE TRUTH? Viren used steroids to help him win, just go and read the book! This is THE TRUTH

A.L. wrote:

I taught Viren how to speak Swahili.

You see! I speak THE TRUTH. Thank you A.L., I knew you would settle this matter for us. Now everyone knows THE TRUTH

If it´s not true, then it´s a lie. Simple it is.

Stop splitting hairs.

It does not matter would Vasala and Viren succeeded without Lydiard, the point is that Lydiard lied. You seem to undirectly claim that Lydiard after all was the coach for our boys? Then you are a liar too. The coach for Lasse Viren was Rolf Haikkola, and Vasala´s coach was Kari Sinkkonen. Viren´s/Haikkola´s training system was very much different than Lydiard´s, by the way.