Ritz breaks US 10 mile record...in a workout.

And where was all of this world class talent for ritz after getting out of high school. After high school, he never showed anything that suggests that he was even remotely capable of doing what he's done so far.

National class, yes. top of national class, yes. International class, maybe at best, approaching the top- never.

the timing of his move to salazar, combined with his history of ALWAYS getting injured when the training gets even remotely this hard, cemented with the fact that he has been a 2:10, 27:30 guy for 4 years have all lead me to be at the very least suspicious

"Dathan Ritzenhein exceeded the U.S. record for 10 miles on Monday (Sep 28) in a workout."

That's nothing. I have exceeded the US 10 mile record every time I have ever run 10 miles. My fastest was when I exceeded it by about 30 minutes. But there have been times when I exceeded it by 40 or 50 minutes.

I have also exceeded the US record for the marathon about a dozen times. In fact there soon will be 25,000 people in New York who will also exceed the marathon record. Oprah exceeded the marathon record. P Diddy exceed the marathon record. Exceeding the records is easy. Running faster than them is hard.

got coherence? wrote:

Maybe anyone who understands that it's indication of a high probability of a failure to grasp even more complex thought than is required for language use.

or, maybe someone who's a pedantic dick?

Twoinchkiller wrote:

This dude ran 13:44 in HIGH SCHOOL. Is it so hard to believe that he has now finally reached a level where he can do these types of workouts after being healthy for a good, long stretch? He just ran 12:56 guys. Do you remember him at 17, 18? He was unreal. Was he "doing something suspect" as a teenager? Is EPO readily available in Rockford, MI? Come on, Ritz is a super talent and finally has some direction to his program. He's simply cashing in on all the hard work he's done this year. Its sad because he's crazy fit so many people think he's on something. Get a clue.

-The Killer

You have no idea what you're talking about. Salazar is dirty. That's a fact.

Were these ten FULL miles?

Grammar dude-not knowing a word does not indicate someone cannot grasp complex ideas. If your surgeon does not know the capital of Algeria, do you kick him out for a geography teacher? And if you're the same guy correcting people earlier on the thread, you had a run on sentence.

So...Like--ScRew off.!

You have no idea what you're talking about. Salazar is dirty. That's a fact.[/quote]

Really? It's a fact? Salazar and/or his athletes have tested positive for PEDs and there is court documented proof of this? Man, I follow the sport pretty closely but, I must have missed that one. It's a fact? That's a good one.

-The Killer

Indeed, where are the facts? And even if it was an historical fact, which has never been proven, what makes you think it persists today? Doesn't mean he doesn't push the ethical envelope, but that's an entirely different debate and not associated with illegality.

dradermeyereeee wrote:

And where was all of this world class talent for ritz after getting out of high school. After high school, he never showed anything that suggests that he was even remotely capable of doing what he's done so far.

he got 3rd place at world xc, 2 spots behind bekele. only 2 other juniors in the world beat him that day.

i think that suggests a lot.

irun wrote:

he got 3rd place at world xc, 2 spots behind bekele. only 2 other juniors in the world beat him that day.

i think that suggests a lot.

Read what you responded to, idiot.

my how we digress...folks this whole conversation is about a timed training run, period, by a pretty decent runner and nothing more....rather he did or didn't or if any of us can communicate in proper english or if we can or can't successfully convert metric measurements is all kinda silly. It doesn't matter what any of us do in training, the only records that ever count happen on race day. Heck if someone could drink beer and watch TV all day and still run fast more power to them. But don't bother me with what they REPORTEDLY do beforehand, show me the money and then I'll make up my mind rather they deserve any attention or not

Tirty Tree wrote:

Not true.

Certainly talent-laden but the lad was running 80-90mpw in HS.

Marc Davis and Webb come immediately to mind as guys with more natural ability than Ritzenhein.

Incorrect. Marc Davis? No freakin' way. You must be his mother. Webb is a talent equal but does not have MORE talent than Ritzenhein.

If its a question of talent-just remember webb ran 3:53 in HIGH SCHOOL!!!

Learn the sport, The DOC was indeed that talented.

Flagpole wrote:

Tirty Tree wrote:

Not true.

Certainly talent-laden but the lad was running 80-90mpw in HS.

Marc Davis and Webb come immediately to mind as guys with more natural ability than Ritzenhein.

Incorrect. Marc Davis? No freakin' way. You must be his mother. Webb is a talent equal but does not have MORE talent than Ritzenhein.

Flagpole wrote:

Tirty Tree wrote:

Not true.

Certainly talent-laden but the lad was running 80-90mpw in HS.

Marc Davis and Webb come immediately to mind as guys with more natural ability than Ritzenhein.

Incorrect. Marc Davis? No freakin' way. You must be his mother. Webb is a talent equal but does not have MORE talent than Ritzenhein.

davis ran nearly as fast for 5000 as a college frosh as ritz, and did it on about half the mileage...

rw sez wrote:

from RW

"Holy cow. Dathan Ritzenhein, fresh off an American record for 5000 meters, has reportedly broken another U.S. mark, running 10 miles in 45:03. During a training run"

reportedly broken? did he or did he not? also did run 10 miles non-stop or is 45:03 the combined time for several shorter distances? Guess if this counts somebody could do 40+ X 400 and add it all up and REPORTEDLY break a record too.

either way records in training don't count unless run over a certified course with official time keepers.

Heck I just reportedly ran 100 meters in 9.4!!

You are not the most intelligent being to walk the planet earth... just saying. Yes, he REPORTEDLY broke it. They can't say that for sure, and they admit it. It was unofficial. Also, who in the hell who knows anything about running would do repeats and claim the total time of the workout as their PR for that total distance? Are you for real? He did a freaking 10miler, just like it said. What made you think otherwise?

lol@tards.. wrote:

davis ran nearly as fast for 5000 as a college frosh as ritz, and did it on about half the mileage...

Different people need different training to unlock their talent. Davis had some injury problems, but he had enough time to show his talent. Very good yes. As talented as Ritzenhein? No cigar brother.

Give me a break wrote:

les run wrote:

We Americans are spread across multiple groups actually

- The Give-a-Shit and Pride-Possessor groups would not have made this mistake. Sadly, their populations are dropping fast.

- Anyone asserting that 62m is one-tenth of a kilometer comes from the aggregate of the Too-Stupid, Fine-with-Sloppy, Who-Cares, and Metrically-Challenged groups. Their numbers are soaring daily.

Who are you kidding? Nobody other than pseudo-intellectuals ever cared about the metric system in the USA. Metric snobs, like you, often have membership in other groups like the American Literacy Council:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/05/marchers_descend_on_spelling_b.html

You might want to take that back, considering runners do almost all their measurements in metric. I guess we're just one of those elitist snob groups.

+1 for batondrop