Nice Hudson interview about Ritz and American distance

I don't consider "show" to be success. I should have said "wins" or "medals" to be clear.

so ryan hall is also not a successful marathoner?

Not on the international level.

alrighty then. everyone is entitled to their own stupid opinion.

Even if we were to accept Goucher as an international success in the marathon, she would be what, one out of how many tens of runners Salazar has coached in the marathon? And how many Hudson has coached in the marathon? These two together don't equal even HALF of a single Squires.

I'll consider the source on that and be glad to not be struck by myopic and pluralistic homerism.

Has Ryan Hall finished in the top 3 at a major international marathon? Top 5? No? Then STFU!

Riff wrote:

so ryan hall is also not a successful marathoner?

3rd at Boston this year, just for the record. But I see the point, a single 3rd does not account for much.

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Is anyone else doubting the 140 number for Teg, and the 150 for Bekele? I have never heard that high of mileage for either of them.

A single 3rd, that sure puts him right in the conversation with names like Lel, Wanjiru, Cheruiyot, Kebede, Kirui, dos Santos, Merga, etc. Sorry, he's an also-ran to this point, nothing more.

Milton Friedman wrote:

I DVR'd the 3k at the World Athletics Final, when Bekele had to go all-out, over the last 100m, to hold off Lagat.

He crossed the 100m to go line in 7:52.2. He finished in 8:03.8, which would be 11.6 for the last 100m.

It wasn't the 100 meter mark, as been pointed out to your sorry ass many times.

Boston Billy ran 13:42!

Since the early 70's at least, the fastest US marathoner has been a top 5000m runner and this will never change. Without the requisite track speed, including <4 mile capability, and ~50 sec 400m speed, super fast marathoning is impossible. To believe 120-150 mile weeks are necessary for a top world class marathon is just a mistake. What is necessary is ~13' 5000 speed and a willingness to work hard, and the strength of mind to throw out most of the dinosaur training mythology. This means more race specific training. The Kenyans and Ethiopians know to get the lead out.

Milton Friedman wrote:

He crossed the 100m to go line in 7:52.2. He finished in 8:03.8, which would be 11.6 for the last 100m.

Milton, quit while you're ahead. There's no 100m to go line on a track.

Wow a sub 50 quarter is race specific to running 4:40 pace for a marathon. =:-o

In case some of you are doubting Bekele's 100m speed, he says himself that his personal best is 11.0 seconds. If the world record holder doesnt know his own ablities, then who does? What reason do you have to doubt him?

"Most American runners, a lot of the naturally fast guys don’t realize how aerobically fit they have to be. Look at Kenenisa Bekele, he runs 11.6 seconds for his last 100m in the final, but you have to understand he runs 150 miles a week as well. You have to have everything. For 18 months, Dathan did no speed work--zero--other than some drills and strides. He couldn’t do it because of a calf problem. I thought he was in 27:25 shape before the marathon--maybe even better. And that’s with zero speed. I think speed is so overrated. Yeah you need it at the end, yeah you got to sharpen up. I watch all these people periodize and they are so far behind on their aerobics that it never works., because they don’t have a base to bring it in. You don’t periodize as much, because we are behind aerobically. A younger athlete is so much better off working on higher threshold in order to get that good base underneath them."

Also, check out what Geb has to say about base building, bet. 2:50 and 3:05

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRqJYt8WSo0&feature=PlayList&p=8B7F38EF24F4BBA9

technicalities wrote:

His point was... Nike pays Salazar an obscene amount of money to coach Nike athletes. Nike was paying Hudson peanuts in comparison. When Dathan had a disappointing race in London, Nike used money to convince him to move to Salazar. It's no secret that Nike is paying it's athletes a ton of money to relocate to Eugene and Portland right now to work with Schumacher and Salazar.

Hudson should consider it an honour that he had to squeeze pennies out of Capriotti. Think about the shady characters Cap is more than happy to sign big checks for - Trevor Graham, John Crook, Rosa, Salazar, etc. Schumacher only gets paid if he brings the crew out to P(rednisone)-Town and takes a puff from Alberto's inhaler. Capriotti, Phalen, Lotwis, Rowe (formerly), et al are not brilliant men. I will give them credit though for realising that it's a lot easier to get results if you cheat. So they put Swooshes on the dirtiest mutha'uckas out there (Russian Federation, HSI, Sprint Capital, Jacobs, Jones, Montgomery, Bekele, El Guerrouj, Ramzi, etc.) and then pretend they don't know what's going on. Clever.

well that kind of makes sense.if tegenkamp has to do 140 mi/week to keep up with the east african 5k runners, how much mileage and at what intensity would americans have to do to keep up with the east african runners for a race 8 times the length of a 5k?no one in america has been able to coach anyone to international success in the marathon in a sub-2:08 wr world. if you say, 'well ryan hall has had international success', i'll tell you he hasn't placed any higher in a major marathon or world champ marathon than ritzenhein or tegenkamp have placed in a world champ 5k or 10k. hall placed 6th or 7th at the flora london marathon when he ran 2:06. and at the olympics in bei jing, he was beat by ritz and didn't even place in the top 10.and ryan hall probably has the biggest aerobic base of all the top american distance runners since he grew up doing 10+ mile runs at altitude from early adolescence on.