Cragg and Kimani

was the course dead on accurate. there is absolutly no (intelligent) way to compare track and XC 10k times. I agree Kimani and Alistair ran outstanding times, but the argument you just presented was ridiculous.

I agree.

Cragg and Kimani ran faster than some notable XC Hogs on the SAME EXACT COURSE:

Ryan Wilson held the course record (finished in top 8 3 times at NCAA XC).

Godfrey was a two time NCAA Champion (and didn't come close to 29:00)

Mike Power ran low 29:00s (and later was NCAA Runner Up to Kimani).

Cragg and Kimani are going to roll. Don't count out Alistair.

Boris wrote:

For all of the pussies that went to pre nats instead of the chili pepper listen up. Cragg and Kimani are the real deal. Torres and maybe Boaz are the only ones now that have any shot besides those two of winning nationals. Everyone was so excited about torres running 2330 or whatever he ran at pre nats. Thats a joke. Kimani and Cragg came through the 8k in 2257 and 2300 respectively. And then they finished it up with a very good 1.2 miles. These 10k times would rank these guys fourth and sixth on the list for outdoors last year. And this was a cross race. The hype is on. Look for nationals to be one of the best races in Ncaa history.

Dickhead. You're the joke.

You can't compare cross times to track times.

it's pretty well-known that the course at Arkansas is short of 10k, not sure by how much. But those two ran very fast, and will be contending for the Title. We'll see in 5 weeks.

That course is dead on accurate. A few years ago it was 10-15 meters short because of the finish line, but it is an accurate 10,000 meters. You're an idiot for saying it is "well known" that it's short. Fast, but not short.

In response to the individual who said, "you cant compare track and cross country". That statement is very true as

cross country is run on grass, dirt, or a mixuture of both which allows much less resistant than ANY track, thus it is a slower and more demanding surface than ANY track. The times Cragg and Kimani posted are MINDBOGGLING for collegiate athletes and Jorge Torres (TOUGH AS HE IS) will find it hard to beat those two. The statement the course

was short is laughable at best, Arkansas one of the BEST X-country universities and coaches in the country mark the course short twice (No way)-it was accurate! Now two of my favortie athletes (Jorge and Boaz) will have to contend with the top 2 finishers at Chile Pepper!

How do you know it wasn't short because of the starting line?

Well...you are all forgetting the point. Kimani and Cragg both posted times that flurted with breaking 23:00, if not breaking 23:00. Torres ran 23:34. Yes he was on his own which puts him close, but deffinitly not ahead of Kimani and Cragg. Kimani is the strongest guy out there. We havent seen Boaz run too much. But with the reputation of Coach MacDonell's peaking techniques, Cragg is gonna be an animal going into Nationals.

What I am excited about is outdoor track next year

Cragg ran 13:22 last year and only ran 30:02 at Chillipepper. Kimani is definitly stronger than he was last year. Do you think that Rono's 13:08.4 is up for grabs

Are you living in a cave jackass.

I think Kimani can get 13:08 if he stays healthy, the only problem is that he might not get in a fast enough race.

A few years ago did they say it was 9985m? No. 10000m. When I ran the course in 98, several Razorbacks said it was short, and it sure raced that way. Does this matter? No. This has nothing to do with the type of person Coach McDonnell is, it's a XC course. Just to prove the point - How do you have a course with common start and finish lines, and set them up for exactly 3200, 5000, 6000, 8000 and 10000? Answer: you can't.

This won't change, they will always say a course is 8k or 10k. It doesn't matter. Times don't matter, places matter, PreNCs doesn't matter, Regionals don't matter. Conference and NCAAs matter.

It's XC, stupid!

formula wrote:

Are you living in a cave jackass.

No clown. You can't compare XC times on two different courses, to the track or roads. It's idiotic to compare what Torres or anyone else did at Pre Nats to what a bunch of others did at Chili Pepper.

Yeah, there are definitely only 4 contenders for nationals. Cragg, Boaz, Torres, and Kimani. There is no way that Kip Kangogo should even be considered when discussing the topic. He wasn't that impressive in beating Boaz, and so what if he wins the JV heat at Pre-Nats. That guy, he is a real pretender.

While Kimani and Cragg ran 28:40+, the ISU 10K course record is 29:52 by Boaz last year. Roughly 10 Chilli Pepper competitors beat 29:52 last weekend.

Therefore, while including Kimani and Cragg as serious contenders, the Chilli Pepper course would seem to be extraordinary fast.

Kip didn't look that impressive beating Boaz? Then how impressive did Boaz himself look? I can't quite figure out if your whole post is sarcastic. The JV heat? I guess Stanford's about set to win JV nationals.