if he would be dirty, his charisma would backfire big time.
if he would be dirty, his charisma would backfire big time.
Really? I mean REALLY? So according to your lack of logic, if I took the three best sprinters from West Virginia and put them in a race with the three best sprinters from Texas, because there are only three of each, it should be an even match.
So you are just an idiot then. Much like the birthers are making the GOP look absurd, you do so to yourself. I'm glad I'm making no sense to someone with an obvious void of critical thinking ability and a penchant for juvenile name calling.
naivete wrote:
Let me guess. You think Maggie Vessey and Nick Symmonds are clean. You probably think Jenny Barringer, Shalane Flanagan and Kara Goucher are clean too. How did these American distance women all of a sudden become competitive on the world scene? How naive you are.
I can not vouch for the others, but YOU MUST be on drugs if you think Barringer is on something. If you knew her even a little bit, you would know how stupid that statement is. Jenny has made steady progress since her hs days, and she doesn't have a dishonest bone in her body! Stop tossing out names just to make your point.
VIPAM wrote:
At no time did I say Usain Bolt wasn't an exceptional talent; however, he has never shown the capability to destroy the 100m WR and then the MJ's 200m (19.32)
Except when he ran 19.93 as a 17 year old, you DIPSHIT.
unlikely wrote:
Really? I mean REALLY? So according to your lack of logic, if I took the three best sprinters from West Virginia and put them in a race with the three best sprinters from Texas, because there are only three of each, it should be an even match.
That all depends on the how many potential sub-10 sprinters there are per capita doesn't it, and whether or not they take up track. If the talent pool is very deep then the top 3 will most likely be quite evenly matched in a race as close as the 100m.
Sure if you had a team competition where everyone in the country competed in the 100m then the state with the biggest population would probably win every time. But that's not what happens. There are many assumptions in what you are saying that you are not acknowledging. We know that the biggest population doesn't always win in track and field for all sorts of reasons. I still think you're a dumbass.
Oldtimefan wrote:
I can not vouch for the others, but YOU MUST be on drugs if you think Barringer is on something. If you knew her even a little bit, you would know how stupid that statement is. Jenny has made steady progress since her hs days, and she doesn't have a dishonest bone in her body! Stop tossing out names just to make your point.
i have no idea about your favorite girl there, and I hope she is clean, but your reasoning is worthless. Plenty of cheaters are undoubtedly nice and otherwise honest people.
when everyone is a profession is doing something that makes them better, then there is often little choice but to join them if you want to make a living there.
19.93 at age 17 is very impressive but before 2008 Usain was never consistent and then BOOM he propels himself to iconic level and nearly undefeated. Also 19.93 as a teenager is a very, very, very long way from 9.69 in their first full season of 100m running. So get a clue you moron!
That could easily be explained (and observing Bolt’s antics and personality quite probable) by the fact that he refused to take both athletics and his own ability seriously in those formative years.
He was a typical teenager, with all the distractions involved, rather than a dedicated, obsessed training machine with the sport the centre of his life.
His coach has documented his frustrations of trying to get Bolt to even bother training at regular intervals.
19.93 at age 17 is very impressive but before 2008 Usain was never consistent and then BOOM he propels himself to iconic level and nearly undefeated. Also 19.93 as a teenager is a very, very, very long way from 9.69 in their first full season of 100m running. So get a clue you moron!
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I have to say thats a BS post
19.93 at 17 actually is consistent with become a world record holder. What 200m time at 17 do you think would indicate being a 100m world record? Do you expect a perfect linear progression? Maybe he now is fullfilling his talent. Makes perfect sense to me, at 17 there is still alot of developing to do, alot of people are still growing at 17! Its Ok to improve drastically in one year. there are many factors where that can happen, and in my experience usually does. I ran a 15 sec pr over 5k when I was 30. So what? Webb ran 3:46 in a time trial, guess he's on PEDs to?
I can see both side of the interesting arguement and it seems that there will always be two sides: one who believes Usain Bolt and his countrymen are clean and the other side who sees that something strange may have occured and possible drug use.
Now that's pretty darn fishy. Why wouldn't they attend the last camp before The Championship and when have a country ever had a training camp for a Championship team and it not be MANDATORY? The part about urine and blood samples for drug testing may very well had something to do with their absensces.
MVP STARS OUT!
Training camp snub disqualifies athletes
By HG HELPS Editor-at-Large
Monday, August 10, 2009
It appears unlikely that some of Jamaica's top athletes will represent the island at the World Championships in Athletics, which starts this weekend in the historic German city of Berlin.
Four of the big names, Olympic 100 metres champion Shelly-Ann Fraser, former world 100 metres record-holder Asafa Powell, 400 metres runner Sherika Williams and sprint hurdler Brigitte Foster Hylton, all members of the Maximising Velocity Power (MVP) Track Club have not shown up at the mandatory pre-World Championships training camp in Nuremberg, Germany, making them ineligible to compete at the championships.
Reports have been surfacing - even more so since Williams posted a message on her social network website, Facebook, stating that: "Oh, well, the JAAA say we can't run at World Championships, because we did not attend the training camp," - that the four were automatically axed from the squad.
Inside athletics sources told the Observer late last night that the International Association of Athletic Federations (IAAF) to which the JAAA reports, had insisted that all athletes selected should attend the camp for, among other things, providing urine and blood samples for drug testing.
"It is the same foolishness some of these athletes did in China last year when they said they did not know what was taking place," an athletics source told the Observer.
President of the JAAA Howard Aris, who is due to leave for Berlin today, said that he was not aware that the Jamaica team's management in Germany had taken the decision to clean house.
"I have not been informed of this," Aris said. "The IAAF had contacted the JAAA seeking information on whether or not we were going to have a camp, where the camp would be, where the team would be staying etc.
"I wrote to (athletes agent) Paul Doyle telling him what the IAAF wanted to do. When we (the JAAA) called to find out where the athletes were going to be staying, we were told that they would be going straight to Berlin. I told Doyle that the camp was mandatory, and if they don't go to the camp, they could not compete," Aris said.
Doyle, who is the agent for Powell, Williams and Foster Hylton, had told the Observer on Friday that he did not know that the camp was a requirement.
He said that the athletes would not be attending the six-day camp, which started last Thursday.
"The JAAA has never once sent a message to me that the camp was mandatory. Only the media has been telling me that it's mandatory." Doyle said.
There was controversy associated with Jamaica's participation at last year's Olympic Games in Beijing, China, when athletes from the MVP club arrived late for a pre-Olympic training camp in Tianjin, China, exposing more of the bad blood that has existed between members of the MVP executive and the JAAA.
Last night, second vice-president of the JAAA Dr Warren Blake joined his president in underlining the importance of attending the camp.
"It was not a secret that if they don't turn up at the camp, they would automatically be disqualified," Blake said.
It was not clear about the status of another MVP athlete, Olympic champion hurdler Melaine Walker, who had also not attended the camp up to yesterday.
VIPAM stop the foolishness...they got tested last week at their camp in Italy ...the same camp they have been to for past 6 years....now run along and come up with another story moron.
Some of you posters should be burying your ignorant heads into your heads. Hmmm less than 2 wks after Vipam started this thread and no things are unfolding for Jamaica's sprint corp including two of Usain Bolt's teammates formly being involved in drug scandal and now most of last years Olympic Champions add to the fray.
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Jamaica in drugs backflip
By Mike Hurst From: The Daily Telegraph
August 12, 2009 12:00AM
Didn't attend training camp...Jamaican sprinter Asafa Powell.
JAMAICA has stunningly dismissed doping charges against five of its athletes and then banned at least five of its "clean" Olympic medallists - including Asafa Powell - for failing to join a training camp on the eve of the world athletics championships, starting in Berlin this weekend.
The five on doping charges had their A and B urine samples test positive for an obscure substance, methylhexaneamine, which the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority classifies as a "specified stimulant".
Methylhexaneamine was patented in 2005 by Illinois chemist and bodybuilder Patrick Arnold, who is best known for creating the designer steroids at the heart of the BALCO scandal which landed Sydney Olympic sprint queen Marion Jones in prison.
Under the World Anti-Doping Agency Code (article 10.2), the offence for this drug is a two-year ban, a penalty which may be reduced if there was no intent to gain a performance advantage.
The Jamaica anti-doping commission has launched an appeal against the Jamaica Amateur Athletics Association's dismissal.
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The International Association of Athletics Federations was already angry that Commonwealth 100m titleholder Sheri-Ann Brooks walked after JADCO had opened her B-sample without she or her representative being present. The IAAF is expected to intervene in all five cases.
On another front, the JAAA effectively declared war on its former flag-bearer Asafa Powell, a four-time 100m world record setter, and his training group, MVP, coached by Steven Francis.
The MVP squad, who won nine medals at last year's Olympics, refused to attend a six-day camp which began last Thursday in Nuremburg, Germany.
Others caught up in the ban include the Beijing Olympic women's 100m winner Shelly-Ann Fraser, 400m silver medallist Sherika Williams, 400m hurdles gold medallist Melaine Walker and four-time 100m world record setter Powell.
In her Facebook page Williams last night wrote: "Oh well, the JAAA say we can't run at world championships because we did not attend the training camp."
JAAA vice-president Dr Warren Blake said: "It was not a secret that if they don't turn up at camp they would be automatically disqualified."
JAAA president Howard Aris implied the reason the camp was mandatory was because the IAAF wanted to conduct blood and urine tests there.
But every elite athlete in the world already has a "whereabouts" contract, with the IAAF permitting them to be tested any day, anywhere.
None of the five Jamaicans who tested positive for Methylhexaneamine are from the MVP group, however two are training partners of Olympic superstar Usain "Lightning" Bolt.
VIPAM why did you start this mass confusion? The demise or at the very least the luster of the Jamaican sprinters are now being tarnished by drup speculation by Jamaican media. why, Why WHY?
Usain Bolt is just a young talanted runner. If you heard of Usain Bolt in 200-2003, you'll see he alawys had the talent but was never recognized. Usain ran a 20.25 in the 200m and a 45.3 in the 400m as a high school runner. So for those of you that knows anything about track...it's uncommon for a high school runner. So the guy has always been a star. Just check his old high school records.
Here sits a Jamaican,laughing ass off at the naysayers. I had the pleasure of watching Bolt eradicate the 100m field and blow away his WR by 11 hundreths... a phenomenal gap! What say you now, more drugs right? I think not! If you've been watching track and field over the years, you'd see that Jamaica was always a force to be reckoned with, yet somehow we would always take silver and bronze. Therein lies your answer.
When did poor little Jamaica gain such knowledge in the doping business, that they could beat the richest and most experienced countries at their own game? Use common sense people!
Here's a bombshell for you... It's not that Jamaica began doping, it's that the other countries had to stop. Bejing's no-doping policy along with all the previous bad publicity forced countries like the USA to run clean, thereby leveling the playing field. Now the true champions are shining. Sadly, even if they imbibed themselves with gallons of enhancement drugs, none of your countries have anything to stop this guy.
Tek dat inna unnu bombo. (and have a good night) :)
Here sits a Jamaican, laughing my ass off at the naysayers. I had the pleasure of watching Bolt eradicate the 100m field and blow away his WR by 11 hundreths... a phenomenal gap! What say you now, more drugs right? I think not! If you've been watching track and field over the years, you'd see that Jamaica was always a force to be reckoned with, yet somehow we would always take silver and bronze. Therein lies your answer.
When did poor little Jamaica gain such knowledge in the doping business, that they could beat the richest and most experienced countries at their own game? Use common sense people!
Here's a bombshell for you... It's not that Jamaica began doping, it's that the other countries had to stop. Bejing's no-doping policy along with all the previous bad publicity forced countries like the USA to run clean, thereby leveling the playing field. Now the true champions are shining. Sadly, even if they imbibed themselves with gallons of enhancement drugs, none of your countries have anything to stop this guy.
Tek dat inna unnu bombo. (and have a good night) :)
I think some of the Jamaican sprinters are clean; however, in my opinion Usain Bolt isn't one of them!
VIPAM wrote:
I think some of the Jamaican sprinters are clean; however, in my opinion Usain Bolt isn't one of them!
Yes, I'm quite aware of your opinion from the OP. However, since you seem to be spewing your negative and backward logic, then why don't you throw in the USA's sudden inability to dope and the effect that has had on the playing field. Has it occurred to you that this is not a "DOPING" issue, rather it's a non-doping issue?... a result of the dominators of the sport having their chemical advantage suddenly yanked out from under them?
Could it be that the rise of the Jamaicans is inversly proportonial to the fall of the USA's performance.
Take it from a Jamaican, who while attending primary school as a little Kid, had to push my mom to buy me running spikes because they were almost considered mandatory. Who as a junior cadet in high school, had to run up-hill or around basketball courts lugging three bolt action rifles on my shoulders. This country takes track seriously! Usain Bolt is clean and displaying natural ability along with the result of years of hard work. Tyson Gay is also clean and did his best time ever. He is WELL LIKED and respected here in Jamaica because he has HEART and talent.
Your "doping" mentality is actually a reflection of your own distrust of the athletes that you may have held in high esteem and that is the type of thing is what damages T&F. Rather than point the finger, take a look in your collective mirrors and fix what's wrong.
To di world!!!
What will O.J. Simpson and Usain Bolt share for the rest of their lives? The word "Juice" will forver be linked to their names, O.J. was known as the juice in his heyday in the NFL and Usain Bolt is juiced (PED) up beyond all comprehension!