Wow, KIPROP is cocky

rubber duck wrote:

commix wrote:

Its kind of uncalled for to celebrate when someones on your shoulder in the final straight. I wonder what his competitors think of the showboating

If that's what it takes to make track & field more exciting to the "average" sports fan, then I'm all for it. We need more showboats in this sport and perhaps it may get a mention on ESPN Sports Center.

Where did the myth that people tune into track to watch people showboat before or after races begin?

Kiprop is actually winning like this. Its amazing because unlike bolt, he gives his opponents an absurd amount of time to still beat him while he's celebrating. In his most recent 1500m win, he is celebrating with 95meters to go, while STILL IN SECOND PLACE! that's hilarious...if no one can beat him like that, the its funny.

LINK TO THE VIDEO WHERE HE IS CELEBRATING PLEASE!?!?!?!?? NOT THE PRE CLASSIC VERSION.

Sorry for all caps.

kjlwndkjnw wrote:

LINK TO THE VIDEO WHERE HE IS CELEBRATING PLEASE!?!?!?!?? NOT THE PRE CLASSIC VERSION.

Sorry for all caps.

Anyone got it?!?!?!?!

3200guy wrote:

commix wrote:

Ill admit this is true. But I will argue that a 1500m runner celebrating early isn't going to get people all fired up to watch more track and field.

People were mesmerized by Bolt because of the spectacle, because of the way he dismantled everyone in the final with ease. And because the world has never seen this kind of athlete. It wasnt his silly little dance afterwards.

Was his 200 the much more impressive record? Johnson's 200 record hadn't been approached close before Bolt, but I think that was because all the top 100 guys didn't have very good endurance. Note: Johnson's 100 pr was 10.09.

The 200m WR was Bolt's best and most impressive performance ever!!!! If he would have ran that same way in the 100m, he would've had a 9.5 which would blow that 19.30 to pieces!!!! Bolt was very fortunate that he didn't pull up with an injury in the 100m Beijing final.

Unless you've won a major title, It's unneccessary to me.

All runners and sprinters should run through the tape, cause they don't who's lurking behind or what else could happen. Somebody will teach those who showboat too early a lesson not to do it prematurely or anymore.

kjlwndkjnw wrote:

LINK TO THE VIDEO WHERE HE IS CELEBRATING PLEASE!?!?!?!?? NOT THE PRE CLASSIC VERSION.

Sorry for all caps.

Its on the front page.....its part of the highlights from the Kenyan trials. Watch the video at 1:54 in and you can see him actually celebrating while he is in 2nd place.

Im sorry but you guys can spin it any way you like, but that is pure showboating and belittling your competitors.

I think that most people who are honest will tell you that Africans are the most polite, well-mannered people they've ever met (this is where the lispy-voiced liberals jump in and say, "You can't stereotype like that!")

Let's hope that Kiprop's behavior is not part of a trend in which African athletes start emulating the rude, obnoxious antics of their African-American cousins.

WHAT THE HELL is wrong with you. He won, why the f*** he cant celebrate?

I can't believe most people think hes being cocky! As some people have pointed out previously, he is not making any sort of gesture proclaiming his dominance. If you pay attention to what hes doing, you would notice that he is in fact asking God to be with him in that last 100m and carry him through it. I don't know about anyone else, but to me that is very humbling. It actually seems like hes asking for help that last 100m, and is a testament to the guys hes racing against. Kiprop is not at all cocky, open your eyes and try and understand whats going on before you through around accusations...ESPECIALLY ROJO AND WEJO, YOU SHOULD BE EMBARRASSED TO PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT UP ON YOUR FRONT PAGE WITHOUT MORE ATTENTION TO DETAIL!!!

It takes all kinds to make a sport exciting. Maybe an athlete doing something other than humbly crossing the line will generate discussion.

I say let him go- and you have every right to be critical of him (I do respect your opinion).

Personally, I like the Bolt/Kiprop celebrations.

Open Your Eyes!!! wrote:

I can't believe most people think hes being cocky! As some people have pointed out previously, he is not making any sort of gesture proclaiming his dominance. If you pay attention to what hes doing, you would notice that he is in fact asking God to be with him in that last 100m and carry him through it. I don't know about anyone else, but to me that is very humbling. It actually seems like hes asking for help that last 100m, and is a testament to the guys hes racing against. Kiprop is not at all cocky, open your eyes and try and understand whats going on before you through around accusations...ESPECIALLY ROJO AND WEJO, YOU SHOULD BE EMBARRASSED TO PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT UP ON YOUR FRONT PAGE WITHOUT MORE ATTENTION TO DETAIL!!!

Are you kidding? Wagging your finger in a number one salute while in second place with 100m to go is not asking God to be with him. And why doesn't anyone else do that? Why should Wejo and Rojo be embarrassed to put up this thread on the front page? Its clearly open to debate.

Dont get me wrong, I dont think Kiprop is a terrible person for showboating, but lets call a spade a spade and quit defending his poor sportsmanship.

Commix, you obviously must hate the NBA and NFL then.

Well, whatever Kiprop did, it worked. We're on this message board talking about it so his celebrating did what it was intended to do: generate attention! Those who didn't like his celebration are paying dues to it by posting about it. Controversy is good for sports.

Isaac Newton wrote:

I think that most people who are honest will tell you that Africans are the most polite, well-mannered people they've ever met (this is where the lispy-voiced liberals jump in and say, "You can't stereotype like that!")

Let's hope that Kiprop's behavior is not part of a trend in which African athletes start emulating the rude, obnoxious antics of their African-American cousins.

You are right that most African runners are extremely polite and reserved.

You are an idiot to suggest that African runners are "cousins" of African-Americans, who are in the vast majority of west African descent (most African long-distance runners are, of course, from east Africa).

There are over 40 nations and a billion people in Africa, and more human genetic diversity within the continent than in the rest of the world combined. Aside from skin color and hair texture, Kenyan runners have no more in common with people descended from abducted west African slaves than Portuguese winemakers do with Irish potato farmers.

commix wrote:

Agree he is excited because he is confident he will win, BUT, by celebrating when someone is right beside you you are in effect showing them up.

Kiprop has not run any exceptional times. There is a very good chance that he will not win in Berlin.

As to the showboating, Jesse Owens did not showboat, nor Lasse Viren nor Zatopek, and they all became famous enough.

Ovett used to do the same in the late '70's/early '80's.

The crowds at Crystal Palace loved it, his competitors didn't. Nor did the journalists.

commix wrote:

Im sorry but you guys can spin it any way you like, but that is pure showboating and belittling your competitors.

If his competitors don't like it they have an easy solution: run faster than him. I'm pretty sure just one instance of somebody outkicking him while he is celebrating would be enough to give Kiprop some serious humble pie.

Point well taken. I'll rephrase:

"....Let's hope that Kiprop's behavior is not part of a trend in which African athletes start emulating the rude, obnoxious antics of a large percentage of African-American athletes."

Does this meet with your approval? 'Cause gosh darnit, I really want your approval.

Isaac Newton wrote:

Point well taken. I'll rephrase:

"....Let's hope that Kiprop's behavior is not part of a trend in which African athletes start emulating the rude, obnoxious antics of a large percentage of African-American athletes."

Does this meet with your approval? 'Cause gosh darnit, I really want your approval.

Nope, it's still racist as f***.