7:28.64 for Bekele beats Lagat by 4 seconds

ventolin wrote:

take your contraceptive pill before reading further as you are obviously FSH surged

now read :

"we" were expecting at least a faux hicham today to turn up today to race

not the 7'23 guy, who splitted 4'53 off shit 2'28/2'25, but at least one who coud go thru 4'58 off even k's without sweat - coupla 2'29s

5'01 with boy going away in "only" 4'58 ?!?!

I like listening to expert commentary from people 3 minutes off what they're trying to stat as facts.

Bekele JOGGED the last lap and still beat Lagat 4.5 seconds. Bekele could easily have run 3-4 seconds faster.

"If Lagat had decided to go with KB during the middle of the race …"

What are you talking about? You make it sound like a simple decision on his part. If he could've gone with him, he would've gone with him.

That was a PR for Lagat, and KB handled him easily. He's in a different league now.

[quote]ttc wrote:

Another example of ignorantly predicting every young runner to break BK's records.

BK ran under 7:30, and low 7:30's often. quote]

ttc,

When did BK run under 7:30 for 3000m?

really? he looked strained to me and looked over his shoulder

several times.

Even though Lagat lost it still looks like he's in pretty darn good shape. Besides losing to Bekele by 4 secs is hardly something to cry over, I'm pretty sure Bekele is not human.

ttc wrote:

Another example of ignorantly predicting every young runner to break BK's records.

BK ran under 7:30, and low 7:30's often. He ran 12:58, relying on the insane 7:30 fitness. Anyone still predicting guys like Hall or Ritz to take BK's marks down?? Anyone saying German or Hall will do it, like they predicted Goucher to??.

TTC, you should be ashamed of yourself. Kennedy's pr was 7:30.84.

Unless you are confused and meant KB instead of BK...obviously not.

im gay.

xxx wrote:

really? he looked strained to me and looked over his shoulder

several times.

He won by 4.7 seconds...he was probably EXPECTING Lagat to come after him. He OBVIOUSLY was not looking back because he was failing as he ever faltered...but because he kept expecting to see Lagat make a run at him. He was probably surprised at how far ahead of Lagat he was.

I like reading the posts by "ventolin" that are SO POSITIVE of one outcome and state what is going to happen very specifically and he acts as if everyone else is retarded to think that it could happen any other way.

Then it does, and he explains it away as if we are all WOWED by the result like schoolchildren and are still retarded.

"we expected at least a faux hicham" ... "don't cream yourself" ... etc.

What a prick. Nobody was overenthusiastic about the 7:28, just stating it LIKE IT IS. Bekele ran away from everyone else, by a wide margin. PERIOD. "ventolin" kept making it out to be "if the pace is X:XX then bekele will win, but if it is ..." as if beyond a certain speed Lagat would obviously win because of a kick. He even made a distinction between a 7:28 race and a 7:29 race and 7:30.

NEWS FLASH: the pace is barely different for 1-second difference over 6.5 laps, much less the deciding factor.

Rain down as much crap on this clown as possible, maybe he will shut up for awhile.

"a joint and a 12-pack"? Well aren't you the cool guy?

What is it with you and nicknames? That has to be the second worst thing about you.

i suggest you go watch his post-race interview & learn something

http://www.flotrack.org/videos/coverage/view_video/235251-2009-meeting-areva-paris-saint-denis/194130-bernard-lagat-2nd-3k-paris-golden-league

he said he was in 2 minds whether to chase after kennster when he was building the gap or sit & wait on expectation he woud tire & come back ( he didn't )

he admits not chasing after him earlier was a mistake ( & a very obvious one, as kennster was averaging high-59s & not high-58s & he's not going to come back averaging high-59s )

he admits at the end he still hasn't got his full 5k base-work ( which makes his 13-flat earlier all the more remarkable ! ), which wouda lessenend his endurance in this race, but says he has plenty of time to get it done for berlin

if he'd chased him earlier, he wouda still lost but he wouda had probably run about a 7'30-flat, which is least expectation

I believe it was a very even pace and so it is unlikely

that Lagat wou(l)d have run 3secs faster using another strategy.

ventolin wrote:

he said he was in 2 minds whether to chase after kennster when he was building the gap or sit & wait on expectation he woud tire & come back

Lagat is experienced enough to know that not chasing is settling for second, he knew he couldn't win and settled. No shame in it against KB, Lagat is not on his level at present.

He needs to be in one mind to win, not be a shitty tactician and settle for second.

Slow Kenyan at best

jingle bowels wrote:Lagat is experienced enough to know that not chasing is settling for second, he knew he couldn't win and settled

that's not what he says at the start of the interview

he says he had to decide to bridge the gap early or wait expecting kennster to tire & come back - he chose latter

the mistake was expecting him to tire off mediocre high-59s - it's never going to happen when a guy has run 7'25 in the past

bernie made a novice mistake, which is the main aspect of his failure

ventolin,

Since when do we start believing athletes, especially one such as Bernard Lagat, who lied about his citizenship and had drug-related issues?

Never listen to an athlete full of ego, post-race. Never. Everyone second guesses onself after a race and can comment on different outcomes, but the race was reality and in that reality, Lagat could not have chased earlier if he would have liked. Bekele burned the kick out of him with that 57-sec opener. Lagat was in debt from the gun.

darkness wrote:

What a prick. Nobody was overenthusiastic about the 7:28, just stating it LIKE IT IS.

Exactly. How many times prior to this race had KB broken 7:30 (indoors and out)? How many times had Lagat broken 7:30? It was pretty clear that KB's winning formula was to get into the 7:20's, because that was unchartered waters for Lagat.

"the mistake was expecting him to tire off mediocre high-59s"

If running high 59's in a 3k race is "mediocre" what the hell does that say about the U.S distance running scene ventolin? Damn everytime with you concerning bernie and bekele its always excuses, excuses, excuses. Bernie was not fit enough in beijing thats why he lost (even though he beat kenny b in the prelim). Then bernie made a "novice mistake" in the 3k (even though he still ran a 7:33 and by your estimates you stated that a mere 7:28 won't shake him in which you were WRONG as usual). No ventolin, its simple. Bernie just got his f**king a** handed to him two times in a row in a non-rabbited race and a rabbited race. Deal with it douche bag. This was a real case of man vs. boy not the other way around.

darkness wrote:

NEWS FLASH: the pace is barely different for 1-second difference over 6.5 laps, much less the deciding factor.

If you ran for 6.5 laps in a 3000, you would lose.