ma junren and the 2:20 Chinese record in Beijing

"As for the unknown male and his 2:13 beating one of the Chebet brothers(3rd place).... same thing."

The IAAF article says the unknown Chinese 2:13 guy is 18 years old.

We know they're all on drugs.

After all, they're Chinese and not like us white folk.

We have to stick together on this.

Excuse me, she also ran 2;25 in Seoul in March, on a very difficult course, and YES she was drug tested.

Nice lady, great smile.....Jason's a fan. Her body is "built like a brick shithouse."

jason

As for the records being set in China, maybe the Chinese simply want to run their best at home.

Wei Yanan has also done quite well at the Boston Marathon (are you familiar with that race?).

jason

Too right shes a druggie, shes getting within 3 and a half minutes of paula for gods sake, thats a drug influenced performance if ever I saw one, the fact that she is a proven athlete and won in a race where it ws obviously a fast pace and good strength in depth means nothing.

If these guys are supposed to be apparently taking all of this stuff and they can't get within HALF A MILE of Paula or QUARTER OF A MILE of catherine then what the hell are these two taking!

The unknown male winner was 18 year old Li Zhuhong who turned 19 two days later. The teenager won last year race in a World Junior record of 2:10:46 and I saw many photos of that race in which he appeared running TOTALLY within himself the whole way.

In the 2002 race 18 year odl Zhu Xiaolin finished fourth in 2:23:57 (not a WJR, because one of her countrywomen ran faster last year). I just want to add that country runs amazingly FASTER times in their homeland than outside. JasondoesAsia (or Boulder, Thailand etc) since you have had more interaction with Japanese and CHINESE athletes then most of us, why is that run sparingly outside of their homeland and so much faster*!

*there are a FEW exceptions.

Driss el Himer(2:07.02 amsterdam 2001) and 2:11 and change in 2002 at Chicago ran Seoul this spring. He wasn't tested and he heard of no other athletes being tested at Seoul. Even if there actually had been blood/urine tests taken, given the korean "business ethics" I'm sure the officials could be "asked" to look at a "fresher" sample. Korea is a country that nearly bought itself a World Cup folks(FIFA was happy to sell it for cheap promotion in asia). If these Chinese are so good, why don't they run Chicago, Rotterdam, London, Osaka Ladies, Berlin, Hamburg, NYC etc?

Jason, you're completely nuts if you don't believe these athletes aren't on drugs. Personally I think the sport should let athletes do whatever they want to do. The IAAF and race officials are clearly not applying "the law of the land" judiciously and fairly. The Chinese are drug users, these two Beijing winners are drug users. I personally don't care, but when you try to convince me otherwise....PLEASE. If she wasn't on drugs why didn't she run Rotterdam, Boston, Hamburg, or countless other races? She'd have won over 7 times as much money for the victory?

Just playing devil's advocate...

Is it possible that the Chinese athletes do not have a say in the matter? Does the Chinese government tell the athletes in its programs where they will run?

I have very little knowledge of China's political system, but this sounds very possible from what I have heard.

id rather be pointing out the outrageous number of personal bests. it seems for 99% of least the top 40 ran personal bests. i dont know about you either the course was not a full marathon or there was a timing error. drugs? gene manipulation i would guess,

government, culture whatever , in one billion people or a 1/6 of the world population maybe a few are going to be running some great times....but NOT once a country has a track record of doping and steriods. who cares what they do inside there country. they are guilty until proven innocent, they lost that privelage, their country is too much into performance enhancement of the athletes.