He may not have the fastest pr, but based on his training and his recent improvements, there is no way he can be beaten in August.
He may not have the fastest pr, but based on his training and his recent improvements, there is no way he can be beaten in August.
apparently, you never read his blog cuz his training isn't going too well right now. His white blood cells are out of whack and he thinks he might have an infection.
Plus, his achilles and SI joint haven't been behaving too well.
He has zero chance of running faster than the Womens winner.
If they had a special division of the marathon for dudes with giant beards, then he might win.
or a division for dudes who could still crank out 141miles a week half broken
Pharmacy PHD wrote:
He has zero chance of running faster than the Womens winner.
he has run faster than any woman ever has in the marathon. i am not a fan or anything just stating a truism.
when i said i am not a fan, i dont mean i have anything against him either. it is just a fact we (the USA) usually have between 5-15 men that run faster than radcliffes womens world record and he is one of that very small club.
dude need to change his training completely. he has a huge huge huge base from all of the training he's done the last few years. he needs to cut his training to 100-115 and start running faster runs and workouts. no need for 180 of 7-10 min crappy miles a week. learn how to run fast before your career is over
yeah he claims to be a canova follower yet he basically does the opposite of what canova now advocates from marathon success.
He needs a coach. He has reach his limit off of only base work.
I can see that very few of you actually read Nate's training and instead follow only what the assumption of his training is.
I can see that very few of you actually read Nate's training.
The past few months he's had difficulties (injuries etc) but when he is fit and training well, Nate does NOT just run slowly all the time. He runs hard sessions as specific to the needs of his race as possible and he runs very slow easy days to recover. Also, I ran with him once at an XC camp and we did a conversational 50min run with a large group, which I estimated at about 7miles. Nate's log that week recorded it at 6miles- I'm not sure how carefully he measures his easy day loops, or if he just runs slowly for time and cautiously estimates his mileage.
As for the Canova thing, as far I know, the basic Canova principle is 1) Acquire as high a level of General Fitness as possible then 2) work on the Specific Endurance your event requires. That's more or less Nate's training- it's not just "crappy slow miles" because he doesn't have a coach.
Nate Jenkins needs a coach. Desperately.
Well...I guess that mack truck called the nj bandwagon has finally crashed, as evidenced by the abundant lashes at him on this thread.
I'm still a nj fan and hopes he chimes in on this thread to set us all straight.
Nate is the man... big break through coming... maybe not at WC but in the fall... 2:10
I'm a coach. I've known Nate and watched him train. He doesn't do anything stupid. He doesn't need a coach. He is a talented, hard-working athlete at a level in his event where everyone is talented and hard-working. They are all bumping up against the edge of their possibilities.
Tom
whodat wrote:
Nate Jenkins needs a coach. Desperately.
From what I've read, when Nate DOES have a coach, he doesn't listen to what the coach says anyway.
Derderian wrote:
I'm a coach. I've known Nate and watched him train. He doesn't do anything stupid.
Nate wouldn't even agree with that. He's done plenty of stupid things(that's not a bash,who hasn't?) and learned from alot of them. It's silly to suggest he's never done anything stupid in training. Sometimes we have to stupid things to be the best though and take a risk. Most of the time for Nate though it hasn't paid off. He may have his big breakthrough day again eventually.
You are a coach who has many gaps in your ability to coach different types of people, although you do a good job with the method you have in general, one size fits all. You've tried to take people who were running 30 miles a week, and force them to do double that right away, or not let them on your team, letting valuable runners slip away because of your inability to plan for the future for up and coming people out of college. A good coach knows how to bring people along, and make more individualistic plans. If you ever learn to do that, you'll be a much better coach. I'm not saying you're a bad coach, i'm saying you need to learn a few things to become better.
If you know anything about canova’s training you would know he does not encourage long slow running. He encourages his athletes to train anywhere from 80% to 110% depending on the workout except on recovery days which are usually 65-75 percent of goal pace. Therefore Nate is running slowly when he runs 7-8 min miles on his regular runs. For a 2:11 marathon guy which is about 5:00 min a mile.. so 80% of 5 min is about 6min flat for regular runs ..thats on easy/ medium days… far, far from the 7-8min miles he runs on regular basis. So I refuse to believe that he is using canova’s method..in fact he is doing the contrary of what canova preaches which is anything below 80 is regeneration as he calls it..not training.
the guy runs 5:00-5:10 pace all the time in workouts...he does mix up wih speed work. Look at his training, he had a full indoor track season of racing miles, 3ks and 5ks....while running 140mpw. Not many of us coming out of college are going to get top 7 at the Olympic Trials. How many guys who weren't at least D-I All-Americans pop a 2:14 marathon? This guy is a class act, who knows his sh1t about training.