Salazar is starting to make me a believer.

I totally agree. I hate seeing people say that he is nike's project, while still being in college. Who gives a shit if our most promising distance runner is getting everything he should get as long as its legal. Do you not want our country's best chance to be on the world stage again? I just never understood why people continue to complain that our most promising athlete is getting all that he should. It's not about NCAA's anymore, he's beyond that if you actually watched the races.

The guy is having great success. Credit to him.

I was thinking...has Ritz looked to him as a coach? Ritz stated he wants to be successful in the marathon, and that he wants success on the track. He also stated (in his flotrack interview) that he likes to race more than twice a year. This is what Salazar has been doing - having success at 10k-marathon, having his athletes race at shorter distances to get ready for the longer races (definitely racing more than just twice or three times a year). Does anyone know if Ritz has had a sit-down with Salazar? It seems in my mind they're perfect for each other. I'm sure Nike has pushed it...who knows.

He's going to get 3 winners ...

Begley, Rupp, Goucher

mighty porn stache wrote:

Does anyone know if Ritz has had a sit-down with Salazar? It seems in my mind they're perfect for each other. I'm sure Nike has pushed it...who knows.

The BrosJo said that word on the street is that Ritz is now with Schumacher, so if that's true he's part of that Portland enclave.

I think AlSal would be the ideal coach for Ritz.

So what are the details of Salazar's training style?

Captain Stagnetti wrote:

So what are the details of Salazar's training style?

Testoboost, Androgel, thryoid medications and refrigerated "allergy" medications. That's all you need to know.

Who else did Salazar coach before he became associated with Rupp.

I'm serious. There hasn't been a lot of discussion concerning Rupp's training. How did he develop his kick this year, while seemingly doing enough volume to maintain his strength. He looked like he was jogging while Ritz was trying to push the pace with 65s.

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He's going to get 3 winners ...

Begley, Rupp, Goucher

And don't forget about Kara either ;)

My only issue with Salazar's training is he has probably been having Rupp race a little too much and might be sacrificing some of Rupp's future for some individual and team glory at NCAAs. His "Rupptet" sounds nice, but it comes at a price.

every single race has seen rupp trail the lead runner and kicking in the end in an almost effortless fashion. he's doing tempo runs with a little speed at the end. get it now?

from the "rupps kick" thread

eatyer wheatings RE: Where the F did Rupp's kick come from? 6/26/2009 12:05PM - in reply to billcm Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

[quote]billcm wrote:

Then he improves his endurance and the same time develops a killer kick?

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You're wrong right here. His kick has always been in there and he didn't develop them at the same time. He developed his endurance and overall strength relentlessly for over half a decade, to the point where he probably didn't feel like he had a kick at the end of races beacause:

A) He was usually a little flat

B) He wasn't working on speed

."...develops a killer kick and drops about 6 seconds off his 1500/mile. How the hell does one do this?"

He was a 4:01 full miler (somebody will love that) in HIGH SCHOOL. And he ran that off of his strength work. He went to 3:57 FINALLY indoors at UW this winter, where the facility is arguably just as fast as outdoors if one were in peak shape there. People should have known that Rupp was a 3:57 (capable) guy last year and probably the year before but he just wasn't racing miles until 2008, and when he did he was forcing them and not really doing speed work. Heck even that 3:57 indoors looked extremely forced and tight. When I saw that I thought that he was capable of at least 4 seconds faster when he gets into a race like PRE and is just racing and not chasing the 4 minute mark.

But most importantly, indoors 2009 was the first time he ever applied speed work in any serious way. He ran 1:51 out of the gates indoor and then broke 1:50. Along with his fitness and speedwork, he started to BELIEVE and eventually to KNOW he could run very fast and kick. Combining the speedwork with that kind of self belief is what drew out the speed talent that was always there.

Remember, he outkicked Solinsky for 5K in 2007, and a week or 2 later he outkicked the field to win the Cardinal 10K claiming the CR. Spring of 2008 he outkicked the Adidas Meet 3K field to win that event. NCAA cross country 2008 he blasted the doors off Chelanga down the homestretch. All these were done before he really applied speed workouts along with shorter races. You now see the results, and you should know why Yoder-Begley and Goucher have been racing 1500's and 800's recently.

How do you know he wasn't working on speed that whole time? It sounds like you are making a correlation into an effect. It is possible, but not necessarily true. I think it is a good point that Rupp ran 4:01 in HS, so it's not like he never had wheels.

Even given that 4:01 HS mile, that is still a far cry from a 52.9 at the end of a 20,000. I would really like to see an article or two on Salazar's training, specifically, how he trains his athletes to kick so well. Unfortunately, I can almost guarantee we won't hear a peep until AT LEAST after WCs, if not after all his athletes retire!

And, as Salazar works with pretty much ONLY top-tier elites, it's not like we have teammates who can report on the workouts. Salazar is clearly doing something right; his athletes have both improved aerobic fitness and kicking speed, which are BOTH crucial on the global level.

Captain Stagnetti wrote:

How do you know he wasn't working on speed that whole time? It sounds like you are making a correlation into an effect. It is possible, but not necessarily true. I think it is a good point that Rupp ran 4:01 in HS, so it's not like he never had wheels.

Rupp and Salazar and Kara and Amy have all flat out said they never worked on speed before. That means actual speed work, not just being a fast runner and being able to run some pretty fast intervals for a 5K workout. At the start of indoors Rupp said the fastest 400 he ever ran was in :53 and in a workout. He also said that for the first time he was really starting to work on speed, and that he was working out a lot with Wheating, Centro and Co. He also mentioned that once he kicked well just once at the Tyson indoor 5K that it clicked for him mentally and he knew he could do it from then out.

Of course that was just they beginning because he put in another 3 months working out largely with the Oregon mid-distance crew. All the interviews have been on flotrack and runnerspace.

wow, she has some speed. KARA GO!!!!

Does it rain alot in Portland, or Eugene. I want to move there and start training. Maybe join Salazars bunch.

i had the opportunity in '96 to train with his group in portland- tommy ansberry, jim howarth, chris katon, todd lewis, shannon lemora, etc. it was extremely focused training. he had it down to a science. there were NO DRUGS. none of that crap, and i was around some of these guys all the time. it was all periodization with mini goals, etc along the way. a favorite workout for him was 5 x 1200m on the catholic track in 3.05-3.15 with 3 min rest. 10x400m in 60 sec with 60 sec recovery was also very commonplace. 16, 12, 8, 4, 3, 2 was another good one. it is not some magical recipe. his group makes a goal and crosses every single t and dots every single i to make it happen. he gort every single thing he could out iof his athletes. hardnosed? you bet. no bs with that guy. you either produced, or you were gone. an impetus to perform well for anyone. figure out what works for you and stick to it. there is NO MAGIC TRAINING!

i had the opportunity in '96 to train with his group in portland- tommy ansberry, jim howarth, chris katon, todd lewis, shannon lemora, etc. it was extremely focused training. he had it down to a science. there were NO DRUGS. none of that crap, and i was around some of these guys all the time. it was all periodization with mini goals, etc along the way. a favorite workout for him was 5 x 1200m on the catholic track in 3.05-3.15 with 3 min rest. 10x400m in 60 sec with 60 sec recovery was also very commonplace. 16, 12, 8, 4, 3, 2 was another good one. it is not some magical recipe. his group makes a goal and crosses every single t and dots every single i to make it happen. he gort every single thing he could out iof his athletes. hardnosed? you bet. no bs with that guy. you either produced, or you were gone. an impetus to perform well for anyone. figure out what works for you and stick to it. there is NO MAGIC TRAINING!