Talkin' HEPS XC, 2009!

for men

Best Distance Coaches: Wood (Columbia) & Rojo (Cornell)

Runner Up: Dolan(Pr)

Middle Ground: Harwick (Dartmouth),Lake (Brown), Saretsky (H)

Worst: Ireland (Y), Powell (Penn)

for women

Best Distance Coaches: Wood (Columbia) & Ferell (Princeton)

Runner Up: Duessing (Cornell)

Middle Ground: Lake (Brown), Saretsky (Harvard)

Worst: Young (Y), Sanchez, (Dart), Penn coach

dlo wrote:

for men

Best Distance Coaches: Wood (Columbia) & Rojo (Cornell)

Runner Up: Dolan(Pr)

Middle Ground: Harwick (Dartmouth),Lake (Brown), Saretsky (H)

Worst: Ireland (Y), Powell (Penn)

for women

Best Distance Coaches: Wood (Columbia) & Ferell (Princeton)

Runner Up: Duessing (Cornell)

Middle Ground: Lake (Brown), Saretsky (Harvard)

Worst: Young (Y), Sanchez, (Dart), Penn coach

Yale has to have the worse coaching in the league. Besides Labosky there is not a division 1 caliber runner on the team.

dlo wrote:

Worst: Young (Y)

Young has produced a number of top ten finishes at NCAAs, both on the team and individual level. I can't imagine there are too many coaches in womens Heps history who have a better track record on a national level. If he's considered one of the worst, I'm not sure what the measure of success is.

Sure back in the day. Now grace runs well in track, but last years top finishers was buck, who didn't get any better over 4 years. Nobody does and his recruiting is terrible. No runner in their right mind would go to Yale.

you guys really need to chill out with some of this reaming out of teams and their coaches. If teams have a bad result its normally not because the coach "sucks", I'm in how in the world did those guys get their jobs in the first place? They know what they're talking about and many of them are experienced distance runners or college athletes.

When teams consistently underperform or just really stink, its probably due to a poor team culture or an incorrect training approach by the athletes, whether its overtraining, undertraining, too much beer, too many late nights, or just a lack of competitiveness.

So please go easy on the shitstorming, lets talk about how the seasons are progressing and what everyone's hoping to do, not what they've done or not done previously.

lets DO WORK Brown !!

Bonnette is the distance coach at Penn, not Powell. Don't redirect blame.

My understanding is that Yale supports the fewest athletic admissions in the Heps. Is this true?

If they can only bring in five or six a year in the distance group and Princeton or Cornell can bring in a dozen, that has to make a big difference.

Fine they dont get many people in, but who is getting any better? Besides labosky, name one person currently on their roster that is worthy of being on a varsity division 1 program.

XC 2009 preview is up at Hepstrack.com for both the men's and women's competitions:

http://hepstrack.com/

Sure back in the day wrote:

Sure back in the day. Now grace runs well in track, but last years top finishers was buck, who didn't get any better over 4 years. Nobody does and his recruiting is terrible. No runner in their right mind would go to Yale.

Not that far back in the day. They were 13th in 2001, and Kate O'Neil was 2nd behind Shalane in 2002. They won Heps in '01 and '02. You're right...Mark doesn't recruit the strong classes, but he usually get pretty good results with what he does get. (Case in point - look at the high school resumes of the team that finished 13th in '01.) The anti-Princeton model, if you will. The program is in the middle of a down period, but historically they've been as strong as any in the league.

Dannemiller is taking the semester off?? That really throws a wrench into the Big Red machine.

According to Brett Hooker's sources, and he got connections.

kohlberg wrote:

Sure back in the day wrote:

Sure back in the day. Now grace runs well in track, but last years top finishers was buck, who didn't get any better over 4 years. Nobody does and his recruiting is terrible. No runner in their right mind would go to Yale.

Not that far back in the day. They were 13th in 2001, and Kate O'Neil was 2nd behind Shalane in 2002. They won Heps in '01 and '02. You're right...Mark doesn't recruit the strong classes, but he usually get pretty good results with what he does get. (Case in point - look at the high school resumes of the team that finished 13th in '01.) The anti-Princeton model, if you will. The program is in the middle of a down period, but historically they've been as strong as any in the league.

Look at their roster, is there Anyone there that shows even a bit of talent?and who has improved in the last five or six years? Anyone?

Cabral for the win. Heard it from me.

Cornell men's preview:

http://cornellbigred.com/news/2009/9/4/MXC_0904093425.aspx

Results vs. Army (includes pix, women's results):

http://cornellbigred.com/news/2009/9/11/MXC_0911090006.aspx

Looks like both Cornell squads could be relying quite a bit on freshmen--not unusual for women, considerably rarer for men. It'll be interesting to see how RoJo and Lou develop their yearlings during the course of the season.

Dominating performance by Yale this weekend. Everybody is getting so much better. Surprise trip to NCAA's in store for them?

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Dominating performance by Yale this weekend. Everybody is getting so much better. Surprise trip to NCAA's in store for them?

Maybe. It wouldn't be the first time...

The Big Green men won their home invitational (8K), beating UMass, BC, and Quinnipac.

http://www.lancertiming.com/results/fall09/dart0912m.htm?DB_OEM_ID=11600

The Big Green women came 2nd, behind BC but beating Quinnipac (5K):

http://www.lancertiming.com/results/fall09/dart0912w.htm?SPSID=48765&SPID=4698&DB_OEM_ID=11600

Harvard does not begin their season until next weekend.

Meanwhile, the Yale women came 2nd in the Fairfield invite (5K) behind UConn and ahead of UMass, Fairfield, U of New Haven, Siena College, and U of Bridgeport.

http://www.umassathletics.com/sports/w-xc/stats/2009-2010/fairfieldinvitationalwomensxcresults2009.html

The Yale men did not compete.