Schiro made an Olympic team and held the AR for 10 miles. St. Geme might have made an Olympic Trials final but I doubt it.
Schiro made an Olympic team and held the AR for 10 miles. St. Geme might have made an Olympic Trials final but I doubt it.
Of course, you're right! St. Geme is definitely not the top. Shiro also rocked at the 84 Olympic trials marathon at age 16 with a 9th place and 2:34.
Bif Bradley wrote:
Schiro made an Olympic team and held the AR for 10 miles. St. Geme might have made an Olympic Trials final but I doubt it.
what ever happened to Footlocker winner Tim Moore?
Matt Withrow
Schiro (O'Brien) did make two Olympic teams in the marathon. Hopp (St. Geme) did win an NCAA 3000 and a USA 5000.
Based on the obvious standard, who of the list has achieved a major World Record . . . none; an Olympic medal . . . none; World Championships . . . none. America has had such great success at the top level that the very few who have achieved it, did not have the ultimate success at Footlocker even though it was practically in Meb's back yard, talk about home course advantage. Home advantage did work for three other nearby athletes; Davis, Acosta and Jorgensen, but I ramble.
The next standard--such is the state of American distance running--we have to rate amongst ourselves only, meaning American Records. By that standard, Kennedy and Davis are current American Record holders (5K track and 5K road respectively) so they are the most successful.
Looking over the winners list has got me making further notes. Hands down our most dominant, multiple (current) US distance recordholder (also an Olympic medalist) is Deena Drossin/Kastor. But she did not win Footlocker. Had she won, Agoura would have shown up on both the Boy's and Girl's winners list (Dameworth). Including other neighboring Ventura County schools (Reynolds and Mortensen) that would probably be the most successful area. Interestingly Arroyo Grande does show on both lists, though not the same school (Quintana and Hassay--twice). Santa Rosa also shows up on the girls list twice (Stamps and Bei). Decker/Slaney might have been a champion since she was a standout even in Junior High School, but she predated the existence of Girl's High School participation by almost a decade. With 15 winners across both races, California seems the most dominant state.
Tim Moore
Wendell Gee wrote:
Bif Bradley wrote:Yes definitely Solinsky belongs in that group.
No, he does not.
Only Kennedy and Goucher ran faster than Solinsky's 13:12 for 5000. Reina's pr was 13:24 and made an Olympic team by placing 5th at the Trials (4 finishers ahead didn't have the standard). Davis's pr. was 13:32 from his sophomore year in college.
Solinsky is probably tied with Ritz as the fourth most successful Footlocker winner. Behind Kennedy, Goucher, and Davis, and ahead of Torres and Guisto.
Andrew Hecker wrote:
Looking over the winners list has got me making further notes. Hands down our most dominant, multiple (current) US distance recordholder (also an Olympic medalist) is Deena Drossin/Kastor. But she did not win Footlocker. Had she won, Agoura would have shown up on both the Boy's and Girl's winners list (Dameworth). Including other neighboring Ventura County schools (Reynolds and Mortensen) that would probably be the most successful area. Interestingly Arroyo Grande does show on both lists, though not the same school (Quintana and Hassay--twice). Santa Rosa also shows up on the girls list twice (Stamps and Bei). Decker/Slaney might have been a champion since she was a standout even in Junior High School, but she predated the existence of Girl's High School participation by almost a decade. With 15 winners across both races, California seems the most dominant state.
California should be the most dominant state. They host the event and have a bigger population than any other state, generally by far. It's a sheer numbers game. That and the fact that most of these kids can train hard year round because of the climate and elevation. I've always said that a 9:30 Colorado kid off 40-50 miles per week is a 9:15 +/- kid just by dropping him to sea level (yet another example is 9:26 Walt Schafer who ran 9:05 at Arcadia this year). Then, allow him to train the 80 miles per week at a faster clip that sunshine and sea level allow you, and this same kid is a potential sub-9:00 guy. Back when I was in college, I can remember hearing about this Dameworth kid who ran 90+ miles per week in high school. Seems as though he peaked in high school, as so many California preps do. Hard to stay healthy running that kind of mileage hard.
Are you including Kinney? If so, hands down Bob Kennedy right now.
Who ever made the Hasay comment, she is still in high school, lets not be ridiculous.
Ritz has done very well for Footlocker Champ. Marc Davis did well. Sara Bei Hall may be the one of the most accomplished females, which is kind of sad.
Louie Quintana has had a great career, but as a coach for ASU, not a runner.
In recent champ history, what happened to Aislinn Ryan out in Boulder?
Its interesting to see who the some of the non-winners have done...
John Trautmann (2nd Jr yr 15th Senior yr)
Suzy Favor (2nd)
Amy Yoder (2nd)
Alan Culpepper (4th)
Deena Drossin Kastor (6th)
Amy Rudolph (13th)
Kara Grags Wheeler Goucher (9th Soph yr 17th Jr yr)
Jennifer Rhines (5th)
Steve Gorton Slattery (4th)
Erin Donahue (17th Soph yr)
Christin Wurth Thomas (4th Jr yr 18th Sr yr)
Lauren Fleshman (2nd)
Ian Dobson (2nd)
Josh Rohatinsky (3rd)
Matthew Tegenkamp (5th)
Alan Webb (2nd)
Ryan Hall (3rd)
Molly Huddle (4th)
Bobby Curtis (3rd)
Galen Rupp (2nd)
Shadrack Kiptoo (3rd)
Josh McDougal (4th)
Lopez Lomong (20th)
Jenny Barringer (3rd Jr yr 10th Sr yr)
Andrew Bumbalough (2nd)
Michael Coe (2nd)
Matthew Centrowitz (8th)
Christopher Derrick (2nd)
German Fernandez (3rd)
Luke Puskedra (5th)
Laurynne Chetelat (16th)
JMK wrote:
Edit:
Steve Slattery (4th)
Sara Gorton Slattery (18th)
Among girls in particular the also rans had a much better go of it. Favor, Kastor, Rhines, Gotcha-Goucher, Barringer, to name a few.
The best to be kicked out... Tim Broe!
Kenny Cormier
I agree with your first three, but how are Ritz and Solinsky currently tied? Ritz is an NCAA XC champ and a two-time Olympian. Doesn't that count for something?
Solinsky was a three time NCAA Champ on the track. Also his PR's for 3000 and 5000 are nearly identical to Ritz's two mile and 5000.
As far as Ritz being a two time Olympian that is truly notable. Only Kennedy can match that feat. Very few Americans have made two teams in the 10,000. So Ok, I'll bump Ritz up a notch for that.
Ken Cormier is having the best career as a top sniper in Afghanistan.
No love for the Torri?
Olympian, NCAA champ, numerous WC teams... Jorge should be mentioned before/with Solinsky, IMHO.
Bif Bradley wrote:
Very few Americans have made two teams in the 10,000. So Ok, I'll bump Ritz up a notch for that.
Ritz has made one team in the 10000 and the way in which he did it was by gutting out a 30? and going because he had the A standard from a race much earlier. Olympics didn't go much better.
Matt Guisto, a Footlcoker winner, became a client of BALCO!