Most HS Sub 5:00s in One Season?

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14 years ago 05/21/2009 8:14am EDT

re: left coast runner

To respond to some of the questions and comments posted -

Wayzata is one of the largest high schools in Minnesota with approximately 3,500 students in 9 - 12. The coach has been there 30 years, knows what he is doing and they traditionally have over 100 runners on their cross country team each year.

Old School Steve is right. Wayzata has a very strong middle school feeder program. When team practice begins in mid-August the middle school team and the high school team practice together, so you have 7th and 8th graders exposed to the high schoolers, which helps with motivation and development. The high school team even puts on a cross country jamboree for 4th, 5th and 6th graders each spring that is very popular and creates interest and enthusiasm in the elementary schools.

Wayzata has two more races on their schedule for distance events. With a fair number of runners in the 5:00 - 5:10 range, it is possible they could end up with 40 or more sub 5:00s by then end of the year.

Finally, I agree with the posting about The Woodlands and 20+ under 10:00. Definitely impressive and worthy of lots of discussion vs. 40 under 5:00.

14 years ago 05/21/2009 8:25am EDT

re: TheEagleHasLanded

If you really want perspective, I'm betting St Patrick's School has at least that many guys go sub-5:00 every year.

14 years ago 05/21/2009 8:32am EDT

re: The Rocket.

The Rocket. wrote:
From South Coast League Finals
(Varsity Race 5 Runners)
1 Valdes, Tyler 12 Dana Hills 4:09.95
2 Phillips, Zak 12 Dana Hills 4:10.67
4 Valdes, Ryan 12 Dana Hills 4:12.38
7 Djokovich, Cameron 12 Dana Hills 4:23.78
8 Dean, Josh 12 Dana Hills 4:27.69
(Frosh/Soph Race 11 runners)
1 Campuzano, Ricardo 10 Dana Hills 4:30.67
3 Kaddatz, Connor 10 Dana Hills 4:33.76
7 Erickson, Daniel 10 Dana Hills 4:39.13
10 Mcnicholas, Michael 9 Dana Hills 4:45.32
13 Brouwer, Mathew 10 Dana Hills 4:48.34
14 Mcnicholas, Michael 9 Dana Hills 4:48.66
17 Stoeffler, Mike 10 Dana Hills 4:50.03
18 Dilloughery, Brandon 10 Dana Hills 4:50.16
20 Lawrence, Ethan 9 Dana Hills 4:52.38
25 Wallace, Luke 9 Dana Hills 4:55.89
These 16 runners are the only 16 runners that ran for Dana Hills. I know that there were several other sub 5 runners who didn't compete in this meet (Especially Juniors and Seniors who didn't quite make that upper tier you see above). I will try to get the exact number out here quickly.
The Dolphins are Deep (pun intended).

This team may not have as many sub-5 minute guys as Wayzata's 37, but definitely has an edge in quality! Their third guy 4:12!? Wayzata's best miler(4:21 1600m)would be FOURTH guy on this team. Interestingly, their freshman/sophomore times are almost identical to Wayzata's frosh/soph's. Future looks good at both schools!! (At a rival school I coach at in Minnesota, we had a sophomore run 4:30/9:49) As another poster mentioned, it's really hard to compare depth. Wayzata definitely has a TON of good milers, if you count sub-5 as somewhat of a standard. And yes, they could field 5 pretty good XC teams, that could compete favorably with teams in many states (excl. CA, IL, NY, OR, etc.) Whatever criteria you use, Wayzata has a great program put together by Bill Miles.

14 years ago 05/21/2009 9:08am EDT

re: old school steve

My next post was they have 40 boys and 2 girls under 5!

14 years ago 05/21/2009 10:09am EDT

re: the rocket.

I ran against Wayzata in highschool. They would roll into cross country meets in a double decker buss. Kinda pissed me off actually.

14 years ago 05/21/2009 10:58am EDT

re: You have got to be kidding me

You have got to be kidding me wrote:
runnin4tay wrote:
The guy who went 3:53 is Alan Webb, South Lakes is where he went to HS.
Wait, who is this "Alan Webb" you speak of? If there really was such a high schooler, don't you think he would be doing some amazing things on the track right now? Sheesh, you guys have no idea what you are talking about!

PONED!!!!

14 years ago 05/21/2009 12:45pm EDT

re: old school steve

Actually, they have two others that didn't run the mile in that meet that ran 4:19 and 4:21 earlier in the season I noticed from the CA state lists. So they have a guy that ran 4:23 open and isn't even an alternate for the 4x1600m. Keep in mind these aren't miles, they are 1600m times, at least for CA.

14 years ago 05/21/2009 3:19pm EDT

re: Cali Boys

I doubt Danbury CT has had 37... but I would bet that one of their teams in the last five years has had 20ish under 5:00. Anyone know the exact number?

14 years ago 05/21/2009 5:45pm EDT

re: old school steve

old school steve wrote:
This team may not have as many sub-5 minute guys as Wayzata's 37, but definitely has an edge in quality! Their third guy 4:12!? Wayzata's best miler(4:21 1600m)would be FOURTH guy on this team. Interestingly, their freshman/sophomore times are almost identical to Wayzata's frosh/soph's. Future looks good at both schools!! (At a rival school I coach at in Minnesota, we had a sophomore run 4:30/9:49) As another poster mentioned, it's really hard to compare depth. Wayzata definitely has a TON of good milers, if you count sub-5 as somewhat of a standard. And yes, they could field 5 pretty good XC teams, that could compete favorably with teams in many states (excl. CA, IL, NY, OR, etc.) Whatever criteria you use, Wayzata has a great program put together by Bill Miles.

What I meant was that they (apparently) have 37 boys under 5:00, so five teams of SEVEN ranked just by 1600 time would make the last team of seven right around 4:55-4:58 presumably (last boy being number 35 on the team) and when I ran that fast I was a 10:30-35 3200 runner so that should easily be in the 17:00-17:30 range on XC 5k ...

The "last" team of FIVE varsity teams of seven would not win Invites (unless a weak Invite), but they would definitely be able to beat some Varsity teams who just field ONE squad.

14 years ago 05/21/2009 9:30pm EDT

re: darkness

What I find most impressive is what the coaching staff at Wayzata must be doing to keep so many kids out. Imagine being a junior in high school, running 4:53 and being 34th guy on the team. In most programs that kid would quit. From what I hear, the atmosphere around the Wayzata program helps kids enjoy running and working hard.

14 years ago 05/23/2009 6:57pm EDT

re: Another Team

didn't the woodlands have 25 guys under 10:00 for the 3200? If so, they would have at least 35 guys under 5:00 for 1600

14 years ago 05/23/2009 7:08pm EDT

re: SEXCguy

Wow that is just incredible.

How many of these guys go to college? You could build an entire college team from their seniors. Do they have any famous HS kids in college now?

9 years ago 05/21/2014 11:54am EDT

re: darkness

I am exactly what you said 5:05 freshmen and outside the top 40

9 years ago 05/21/2014 12:34pm EDT

re: TheEagleHasLanded

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=1995537&page=0

Here\'s an old thread with some interesting stats. South Eugene had 22 runners under 5:00 with a much smaller student population.

1 week ago 04/14/2024 2:57pm EDT

re: TheEagleHasLanded

TheEagleHasLanded wrote:
So far this season, Wayzata High School in Minnesota has had 37 separate runners go sub 5:00 in the 1600, and could possibly end up with more than 40 by the end of the year. I'm wondering how many other HS programs have ever had this many runners under 5:00 in the mile/1600?

Yep, that number did get to 40

wayzata-xc.com

Link:http://www.wayzata-xc.com/2009T&F/2009...

1 week ago 04/15/2024 4:45pm EDT

re: TheEagleHasLanded

Great Oak 42 in 2019. Last track season before Covid

athletic.net

Track & Field and Cross Country Statistics

Rankings for middle school, high school, and college athletes. Compare yourself against athletes in your district, your state, or the nation.

Link:www.athletic.net/team/1686/track-and-f...

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