Most HS Sub 5:00s in One Season?

there was a team in michigan a few years back who had a bunch of guys.

they would sit out their varsity run their JV team in the varsity races and finish like third and then they would go like 1-5 in the real jv race. thats got to be like 20ish guys

dont quite remember who it was we were in different divisions

I really wonder how many York has had go under 5:00 in that time trial they run at the beginning of cross. Does Greenliner hang out here anymore? Or anybody from the York program? I know they've had guys go 4:20ish in that trial, which is not too shabby in the first week of the season...

My freshman year of h.s. we had 7 frosh break 5. We were a pretty good team (nationally ranked XC team by the harrier) but I don't think we had as many as 37. Wouldn't be surprised if we had 20+ though.

Our program has a ton of history and some great teams in the past (including one year where 6 guys broke 4:20) so they might have come close.

37 is mighty impressive.

Damn! Does that mean the guy who ran 4:12 didn't make it to CIF Prelims? 4:12 often makes the state meet.

Cali Boys wrote:

The Dana Hills team that has been nationally ranked in cross country has a pretty impressive team this year. At their league finals they ran 4:09, 4:10, 4:12 with another team's runner at 4:10 in third.

How about saratoga? I mean heck thy had several girls under 5.

well, my distance team had 100 percent of distance runners go under 5.

granted, there were only three of us, but...

They have time qualifiers out of league for their postseason, and I am positive that 4:12 will be faster than that. The crazy thing was that a guy ran 4:16 and got 5th at that meet. As for Dana Hills, I'm not sure how they are spreading their guys around in the postseason because all three of those milers were in the 800 as well. I think that 800 was even crazier, 6 guys total in between 1:54 and 1:56 flat (5 from Dana Hills) in a league final. I am pretty sure at least 2 of them have run 1:53 in an open. They might have double digit number of guys sub-2 in the 800. Again, not sure the number of guys under 5 minutes this season, and I don't really know how to go about checking that kind of stuff in a relatively quick manner, but I am sure it is a ton.

Hey, could you guys note how large these high schools are? It would put things into perspective.

My high school had 320 students (co-ed), and we had six runners under 4:55 for the 1600m in 2007. So if we were a large school like some of those D1 schools in California, I think we could've had a lot of runners under the 5 min mark.

small vs. big high school wrote:

Hey, could you guys note how large these high schools are? It would put things into perspective.

My high school had 320 students (co-ed), and we had six runners under 4:55 for the 1600m in 2007. So if we were a large school like some of those D1 schools in California, I think we could've had a lot of runners under the 5 min mark.

Wayzata HS is huge, one of the biggest in Minnesota. Couldn't even fathom a guess. The key to their program, however, is a great middle school "feeder" system. They have all these little 8th graders running near 5-minute miles, and they seemingly have no limit to the number of talented runners by the time they get to high school. A very impressive, highly organized program.

Wayzata is a wealthy suburb of Minneapolis, just outside the loop of highways surrounding Minn./St. Paul. Lots of lakes and country clubs. Greg Lemond lives there.

Don't know how big the student body is but if MN is full of white, XC-skiing kids Wayzata is even fuller of them! Basically tons of white, slow-twitch type kids who would rather run distance than go out for tennis or baseball.

There are similar strong programs right around there like Burnsville and Stillwater. Eden Prairie may have some history too.

If they have 18 at Conference going 2:04/sub-5:00 I bet they could have 18-20 more. There is likely a limit to how many can be in each event and it looked like nobody doubled in an indiv. event. The guys who were close to 5:00-flat level were likely seniors who got to run because it was their last chance.

Good for them, that is killer.

No sense in all of you arguing about the "deepest ever" tema because it depends on how you define it. Most runners under 4:10? most under 4:20? fastest avg. PR for 5? for 10? It would be different each time. Wayzata is not clearly even an all-time powerhouse in middle-dist. as they can't break 7:50 even ... but they are clearly one of the best schools ever if they fielded 5 varsity squads at a XC Invite.

That has got to be both fun and frustrating to run there. OTonehand, you would have a 4:20 training group, a 4:30, a 4:40 and 4:50 (probably) ... and a "frosh" or developing group. So you would always have someone to train with and pace off of. But it has got to suck to be a 5:05 1600 runner as a freshman and be 40th on the depth chart!

When I was a frosh, the varsity team ran a time trial and the top guy ran 5:07. the coach decided to start AM runs, every day, even the morning of meets. I got to train with them (in AMs) after that. We improved to a group at 4:34, 4:38, 4:43, 4:48, 4:50 (me) and a few in the 4:50s.

My high school team:

1. 4:23

2. 5:25

3. 5:47

my school has 5 sub 5:00 guys, and 3 sub 4:30 guys, which I think is good considering there are only 40 guys in one grade.

1a wrote:

my school has 5 sub 5:00 guys, and 3 sub 4:30 guys, which I think is good considering there are only 40 guys in one grade.

Three under 4:30 is great no matter what size school it is.

kids are fast these days, know a guy who went 1:55 and didn't even make it to the finals at state (missed by less than a second) lots of quality out there nowadays

I recall a few years ago (maybe spring 04 or 05) that Brian Sullivan, the Footlocker South XC champ, did not qualify out of his district in the 1600. The reason? Only top two get to go, and his 4:08, despite being faster than the previous state record, only got third behind a 4:01 and 4:03.

From South Coast League Finals

(Varsity Race 5 Runners)

1 Valdes, Tyler 12 Dana Hills 4:09.95

2 Phillips, Zak 12 Dana Hills 4:10.67

4 Valdes, Ryan 12 Dana Hills 4:12.38

7 Djokovich, Cameron 12 Dana Hills 4:23.78

8 Dean, Josh 12 Dana Hills 4:27.69

(Frosh/Soph Race 11 runners)

1 Campuzano, Ricardo 10 Dana Hills 4:30.67

3 Kaddatz, Connor 10 Dana Hills 4:33.76

7 Erickson, Daniel 10 Dana Hills 4:39.13

10 Mcnicholas, Michael 9 Dana Hills 4:45.32

13 Brouwer, Mathew 10 Dana Hills 4:48.34

14 Mcnicholas, Michael 9 Dana Hills 4:48.66

17 Stoeffler, Mike 10 Dana Hills 4:50.03

18 Dilloughery, Brandon 10 Dana Hills 4:50.16

20 Lawrence, Ethan 9 Dana Hills 4:52.38

25 Wallace, Luke 9 Dana Hills 4:55.89

These 16 runners are the only 16 runners that ran for Dana Hills. I know that there were several other sub 5 runners who didn't compete in this meet (Especially Juniors and Seniors who didn't quite make that upper tier you see above). I will try to get the exact number out here quickly.

The Dolphins are Deep (pun intended).

This just in...

Dana Hills has recorded sub 5 minute miles for 40 of their boy's runners (and 2 girls) this year. That may be some kind of record.

37 is crazy wrote:

37 is absolutely insane.

my senior year in high school (south lakes '01) we had 16 milers on the team and all 16 went sub-5. ranging from 3:53 to 4:59. i always figured that must've been the most ever until this ridiculous 37 number popped up. thats a huge number of milers to have on a team period let alone break 5 minutes.

I'll call bullshit on that. I ran in your district in high school and your team did not have 16 sub 5 milers. If you did then probably 10 of them were between 4:55-4:59 and ran them in a team time trial.

wasn't there a thread about the woodlands having a ridiculous number of sub 10 guys? Something like 25ish? that would mean they should have at least 30 sub 5 guys.

Anyway. my team my jr year of h.s. had the most ever at my school i think, pretty weak.

4:23

4:24

4:55

4:59