Based on his steeple WR, is there any chance Shaheen can break Komen's WR? It would seem that in his prime he must have had sub 7:24 ability but I know that is still a long way away from 7:20.67. He is running in Doha tomorrow so I thought that might be a good opportunity to go for it. Thanks for any feedback.
According to iaaf, his PR's for 1500m, 2000m, and 3000m are 3:33, 5:03, and 7:34. Of course his steeple is ridiculous, but his 5000m is 12:48, but I don't see anyone running 7:20 unless they have at least 3:29 speed. Komen ran 3:29 AND 12:39. Bekele has run what? 7:26? His 1500m PR is roughly the same as Shaheen's, and his 5k is 11 seconds faster.
Not gonna happen.
El Guerrouj got WRECKED in that race (12:48)!
Ever since shaheen parted company with Renato canova he is no longer as good as he was.He still has the Personality and a champion's mentality but he is lacking technicwise.Basically he is re-using the training programs of 06.The world has moved on and Shaheen will actually find it hard to be in top 3 in the 3K.
@ Dwex,
Shaheen was out of competition for about 2 Years. I dont think he will be able to run 7:20 in his first race after 2 years.
My thought is that Shaheen is the only guy who could beat Kenenisa Bekele...maybe not right now but if he is in shape he can do it!
If Shaheen would only focused on the 5k, it would be some of the greatest battles ever between him and Kenenisa Bekele.
I dont know for sure, but i think in the next years or even this year Shaheen will compete in the 5k instead of Steeple.
It would be great to know what Renato Canova think about it....?!
Also if now I'm not the official coach of Shaheen, we are in very good relations, and he follows the phylosophy of the past. We spoke together several times, and I think he can be ready for coming back at his top level. Of course, we cannot know if he can beat his WR again, or not.
But I can explain that, in 2006, his shape was 20% better than in 2004, when he beated the WR.
The real problem was the consistancy of the pacers. In 2003 and 2004, the "rabbits" were Simon Vroemen, Luis Miguel Martin and Le Dauphine, all top specialists with a very good technique and the ability to run at even pace. In 2006, we had to find some solution, 100% not so good, but it was no alternative.
I want to explain 2 different sessions at the beginning of August 2006, in Kenya (Nairobi) :
A) A Specific Block with the following tests :
Morning : 4 x 1600m (recovery 4'30") in 3'56" / 3'59" / 3'58" / 3'57"
Afternoon : 2 sets of 5 x 300m (rec. 30"), with 2'30" recovery in between (500m jogging), with the average of first set 38"5, and the second set in 39" / 37"3 / 37"2 / 37"3 / 37".
b) 4 couples of (1000m, rec. 1'30", 300m) rec. 4', in :
2'24"2 / 40"3 - 2'23"6 / 40"8 - 2'23"4 / 40"2 - 2'23" / 39"7
In my opinion, he could run 3'28" in 1500m and, may be, the WR of 3000m.
But, in Zurich meeting, we had a bad work from the rabbits. I personally spoke with Richard Mateelong (at that time n. 3 in the World) for being the 3rd rabbit from 1600 to 2000m. The day was very cold and windy, but the pace was not bad till 1500m (63"2 average per lap). When Mateelong went in front, he slowed down till 67"5, losing 4". When Shaheen saw the split, lost motivation, finishing without pushing too much in 7'55".
From the next day, in St. Moritz, we found snow and a temperature of 3 degrees. His training was not good, and in the next meeting (Bruxelles) the second rabbit (Luis Miguel Martin) came to me AFTER his warm-up telling me honestly that he didn't feel able to run how we requested. So, Shaheen ran a crazy race, with the first 800 in 1'59" behind the first rabbit, then alone, slowing down only for winning in 8'02". Few days later, without any specific training for the bad weather conditions, he was second in Berlin in 3'33". After we came back to Kenya for preparing the double victory in World Cup (5000 and steeple).
About his PB in 2000m, before winning in Helsinki 2005, in training (already in Finland), Shaheen ran 2000 / 1600 / 1200 with 5' recovery in 4'55" (the first 3 laps behind Bashir, the last two alone), 3'56" (2 laps with Bashir) and 2'54". The original plan was to run 800 and 400m too, but, because of the times he did, I stopped his training after 3 tests.
I don't know if in the future he can be able to run again so fast in training. But I think that, more mature and with his unbelievable motivation and personality, he can run again fast like before IN THE RACE.
I never had an athlete with so strong personality and motivation. When you meet somebody with so strong personality, and also you have the same attitude, sometime you have some battle of principle, because nobody wants to surrender. But this is what I like : if you are too weak like character, accepting everything, you never can be a leader OF YOURSELF, and never can have the motivation for lasting.
This is what I try to build in every athlete, but unfortunately I was able only with few of them. These are the champions.
Thank you very much Mr. Canova, I don't know how you can bring yourself to keep coming back here but it's always extremely interesting when you do.
burn out wrote:
Ever since shaheen parted company with Renato canova he is no longer as good as he was.He still has the Personality and a champion's mentality but he is lacking technicwise.Basically he is re-using the training programs of 06.The world has moved on and Shaheen will actually find it hard to be in top 3 in the 3K.
Thanks, Renato.
Renato,
After a day like the one Shaheen had in August 2006, the 4x1600m and then the 300s later in the day, what would he do for the next day? Recovery running or would he have another workout to do?
Shaheen is as good as in the past. he is very tough mentally and i beleive he can do it again in 3000steeple not 3000 flat.
Brad Nowell wrote:
Renato,
After a day like the one Shaheen had in August 2006, the 4x1600m and then the 300s later in the day, what would he do for the next day? Recovery running or would he have another workout to do?
Brad -
Here is a link that shows what Shaheen did for training:
http://www.runnerstribe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=223&hilit=Shaheen
35 km in 1:51:36 in Iten (average 3:11 per km)
if he really did this (which I assume he did) wouldn't he be able to run close to the marathon wr, or at least after limited specific training be able to.
Shaheen would be superb in the marathon actually,he should think about it seriously
1500 - Marathon he can be the top in the world. He probably has the greatest range of any runner. The only thing for him is that he hasnt taken the time to prove his capabilites of range at either ends of the distance spectrum really.
Big ego and pride makes it hard for shaheen to be helped by anyone.He really does not listen to advice he just goes with what he thinks is right regardless of what others are telling him
Shaheen is definitely back.....7:32min after 2 years out of competition is really impressive! (ts also a PR)
He is a smart guy i´m sure he can improve his times!
I´m still looking forward to his next race....I heard he will run at the Preclassic in June?!
I think ezekiel Kemboi will challenge and could take shaheen's record this year.He has made alot of changes in his training and there is a clear cut improvement.He has also been training with Sammy Kitwara who is also showing top form.He is going to be racing more regularly unlike before when he would just peak for championships.
it's virtually impossible to run 7'20.66 off 3'33 ability which cherono has demonstrated so far
trying this :
7'20.66 off various 1500 abilities :
3'34.0 -> ~ 53.85, 1'51.07, 4'48.84, 12'29.98, 25'42.17
3'33.0 -> ~ 53.07, 1'50.05, 4'48.06, 12'32.44, 25'53.75
3'32.0 -> ~ 52.30, 1'49.04, 4'47.28, 12'34.90, 26'05.33
3'31.0 -> ~ 51.52, 1'48.02, 4'46.50, 12'37.35, 26'16.91
( the above line reminds me of someone !!! )
3'30.0 -> ~ 50.75, 1'47.00, 4'45.72, 12'39.81, 26'28.49
( the above is ~ komen )
3'29.0 -> ~ 49.97, 1'45.99, 4'44.94, 12'42.27, 26'40.07
3'28.0 -> ~ 49.20, 1'44.97, 4'44.16, 12'44.72, 26'51.65
3'27.0 -> ~ 48.42, 1'43.95, 4'43.38, 12'47.18, 27'03.23
3'26.0 -> ~ 47.65, 1'42.94, 4'42.60, 12'49.64, 27'14.80
( the above is ~ hicham )
3'25.0 -> ~ 46.87, 1'41.92, 4'41.82, 12'52.09, 27'26.38
unless your name is bekele, it's not worth trying unless you have at least 3'30 ability
I think its no problem for Shaheen to run 3:30!
Remember when did Shaheen run his last 1500m?! It was 2006 in Berlin where he run 3:33 without any specific training.
I´m excited what he can do this season after his injury and of course after he part company with Renato Canova.