Like Peter Snell wasn't shit until Lydiard turned him into an Olympic gold medalist?
You or I can't say what she is or isn't doing but improving with a new coach is not enough to convict someone of drug use. It's not like Chambers or Jones working with Francis, Conte or Remy.
68:30ish
it was a good run by kara.She looked relaxed throughout the race though it was quite obvious that she had "heavy legs" courtesy of boston marathon preparation.I think if Timbilil and kosgei had stayed with her till about 18K she could have run 66-67 mins,nevertheles it was a good performance.
Poor conditions today. Men's times were slow too.Good run by Kara.
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Considering her main focus is Boston and given her times at other distances, I'm guessing closer to 68 than 66. Maybe if she has a good day she might get close to Paula Radcliffe's best time on a flat course, which 66:47 at Bristol in 2001, but if I had to pick a number I'd say closer to 68 - still good enough for first or second.
Looks like we have a winner! Good call.
What were the "conditions?"
Not really impressed by this run. Yeah yeah, conditions conditions. It's a pretty mediocre time, however you slice it.
What has Kara done this year to warrant these wild 65-67 predictions?
She's simply not at the level of our best runners, like Shalane and Rowbury.
I think if she can run under 2:30 at Boston, she will have maxed out. My guess is 2:31.
Old Runner wrote:
We're not talking about Mr. Goucher. And, this isn't Kara's debut. Many elites drop 3-4 seconds per mile in subsequent Half and marathon attempts. She is much more conditioned and sharper than her last half. Furthermore, just because Radcliff holds the record doesn't mean it's untouchable. I agree with the poster above, the half record is soft compared to the marathon record. I am just pointing out that if the race unfolds perfectly, Kara may be able to bring a surprisingly good time.
My reference to A.Goucher was simply as an analogy to those naive people who predicted an unrealistically fast time for him a few years ago. Your prediction of sub 66 was a bit absurd. As previous posters have pointed out, I don't think that winning a 3k and Millrose translate into anything at the half-marathon (and certainly not full marathon) distance. The good news is that 68 on a bad day is still solid, and racing a half with a month to go until Boston is no real indication of what she can/will do there. But she's obviously fit- hopefully she can get in a couple good weeks of final prep and be rested and ready to roll come race day.
I guess that is what happens when you predict a world record before the race...good job living up to your hype
Jax involved wrote:
If she is in good marathon shape then she will have a difficult time running marathon pace. I hope 69 minutes. This would tell me that she is training correctly for Boston. She should be in her highest volume phase right now. If she runs under 67 ninutes she will not be a factor in Boston.
You made a good call also. I'm glad she she was slower, since, as you indicated, it suggests she is aiming toward Boston and is at the peak of her mileage base.
Really, it's hard to tell from this race what kind of condition she's in right now.
to much talk wrote:
I guess that is what happens when you predict a world record before the race...good job living up to your hype
this is a silly comment. I'm sure that most world records have been predicted and HAVE happened like they were said. Bekele, Geb, Bolt, Asafa, etc...
I guess that proves my point, don't predict it if you arn't going to do it. As you said yourself, the great runners predict it and do it. Looks a little salty when you predict it and don't follow through.
did she run 8:40-8:42 3k indoors this year? that was enough to warrant the hype that she'd improve her hm time.
that should be, didn't she ...
to much talk wrote:
Looks like Geb is not a great runner, he has gone for WR and has failed a couple of times. His last one in the HM he didn't even win the race, what a loser.
I guess that proves my point, don't predict it if you arn't going to do it. As you said yourself, the great runners predict it and do it. Looks a little salty when you predict it and don't follow through.
Back to the drawing board at the lab I think.
One a hater always a hater. Guilty until proven innocent. You must be British.
She beat some pretty good people
Dusty Bones wrote:
She beat some pretty good people
a wiseman--- seeing a race exactly as it is-- a race.
A win is a win.
Why don't you guys start hating on Wanjiru, whom many of you think as a God and as the next coming of Gebrselassie? Wanjiru tanked, even Ritz would've taken him.
Congrats Goucher. Does anyone know how Lemoncello ran?