Rupp 3:57.86

Wasn't the 6th place finisher in a Kingsley Amis novel?

Uhhh, let's see.....altitude tent?.....Underwater treadmill?.....Financial support from Nike?.....Professional coaching in/since HS?.....oh man, you set it up so nicely Holman Syndrome!

"Peeps, you obviously have an infatuation here, but come back when (IF) Fernandez has a proven track record like Rupps. German is off to a big start, but is missing some pretty big items. Can you think what those might be?"

ZERO cred wrote:

something tells me, in a room full of MEN, you'd be the quiet uncomfortable one in the corner, quietly discussing with yourself what losers the men in front of you are.

Wow your message board valor is amazing.

I have a few friends that TKD and Box, they have some sparing places if you want to schedule something just email me Mr. Man.

If 27:13 is so easy, then why hasn't it been broken? Why have so few Americans even broken 27:30?

Golden Boy treatment wrote:

Uhhh, let's see.....altitude tent?.....Underwater treadmill?.....Financial support from Nike?.....Professional coaching in/since HS?.....oh man, you set it up so nicely Holman Syndrome!

"Peeps, you obviously have an infatuation here, but come back when (IF) Fernandez has a proven track record like Rupps. German is off to a big start, but is missing some pretty big items. Can you think what those might be?"

Here, let me edit this to give you some credibility:

altitude tent?.....

Underwater treadmill?.....

Professional coaching in/since HS?.....

oh man, you set it up so nicely Holman Syndrome!

OK, the Nike financial support conspiracy thing is just stupid so I took it out so I can adress you as someone with half a brain.

So.....Altitude tent.

These things are not proven for shit, but plenty of pro's have them and are getting there asses kicked by rupp. Also, more pros AND college athletes live and train at alititude, and are getting there asses kicked by Rupp.

Underwater Treadmill - I've heard that several univerisities have access to these too.

Professional Coach since high school - OK the only point that can be made is that he has had a good coach. There are professional coaches who are not that good, many college coaches are better. Rupp does happen to have a very good coach. Valid point, but wait what is your point? Rupp should seek out a shitty coach?

Bottom line out of all the things you're eluding to, you've missed the point. Of all of these things only one of them have much affect on how Rupp PERFORMS when it counts. The coach can have a major impact on this. The rest is up to Rupp, or any runner. Rupp made his olympic team, Rupp made the world team, Rupp won the NCAA championship over VERY strong competition.

All of this other stuff can help him be fast, but none of it can help him race.

You forgot to bring up the undisputed, clear, #1 advantage of all, natural born ability. You're not going to argue that Rupp has more of that than German are you?

jonesy. wrote:

If 27:13 is so easy, then why hasn't it been broken? Why have so few Americans even broken 27:30?

Because we reward mediocrity like Rupp's 3:57.86, pamper our runners, and don't have huge reward races for fastest American besides Marathons. There needs to be a system of real monetary rewards in place for records.

Yeah I know it costs money to run a meet, but the Europeans have excelled at this business model why can't we?

I love peeps wrote:

[quote]jonesy. wrote:

There needs to be a system of real monetary rewards in place for records.

and who's gonna pay for this?

whoa, there.

You see your mistake is to say this:

'Rupp made his olympic team, Rupp made the world team, Rupp won the NCAA championship over VERY strong competition.'

Well congratu-F***-alations, really? He made the team, yay! What kind of mentality is this? This american concept, he made the team yay he's participating! It doesn't mean squat pal. You don't get a medal for being on the team, and that kind of mentality is EVERYTHING that is wrong with the country, with this sport, and the people who participate in it. You don't get a medal for participation.

Very strong competition? Where they Kenyan, Ethiopian, Moroccan record holders? No. Where they second tier Africans and others? No. Wake up and see how far behind we are because of the way we think about these things and what success is.

uh_no wrote:

and who's gonna pay for this?

Its hard, we have an entrenched fan base in Baseball, Football, and Basketball.

If our fans could be more like Europe, it would be easier to have monetary awards as more money would be going into our sport.

Thats why this marketability is so important. Runners that are more marketable and that can win Gold medals are so important to getting this sport going in this country.

I don't think Rupp is one of these marketable runners, he could end up becoming one, but he isn't.

Wheating, Fernandez guys like this really get people going. You want a rock star, not a princess.

I'm not sure who "i love peeps" is. I've never seen him post before. He isn't intelligent.

Your arguments are incoherent, jumbled, and fanatical. Yellow journalism award of the day.

Can you please, concisely (2 sentences, 3 max) tell me what your point is? I'll rebuttal if you can form a logical thought.

Congratulations to Rupp - fantastic run.

I love peeps wrote:

uh_no wrote:

and who's gonna pay for this?

I don't think Rupp is one of these marketable runners, he could end up becoming one, but he isn't.

Wheating, Fernandez guys like this really get people going. You want a rock star, not a princess.

I've been reading over your various posts and I honestly believe you have some serious thoughts, but also some personal issues. German fernandez is not going to come across to the general public as anything more than Galen Rupp. It's obvious that you disdain Rupp and have a mancrush on Fernandez, but the public will not see Fernandez as a "rock star". He puts on a nice time trial, and has fast marks, but his interiews are completely monotone, his metrosexual hairdo with his feminine running form (especially when he gets tired) are not going to get the average man to excited about this "rockstar".

Fernandez is much more in the same category as Rupp rather than Wheating. Only runners are going to put the speed goggles on for Rupp and Fernandez.

At least Rupp's interviews are entertaining if not funny.

Wheating on the other hand is dynamic, his races and his interviews. Shit when that guy finishes a race he explodes through the line yelling and punching the air. That guy may land on the front of a magazine and get some random dude to think "wow he looks like a badass"!

Fernandez, no. His running is fun to watch for us runners, his interviews are not. Rupp's runs are also fun to watch for us runners, and his interviews are at least interesting.

You keep talking about marketability like it's your life's MO.

Talent:

Rupp: 9.5

Wheating: 10

Fernandez: 10

Execution:

Rupp: 9

Wheating: 9

Fernandez: TBD

Personality:

Rupp: 8.5

Wheating: 9.5

Fernandez: 5

To me Rupp is more marketable.

RunnerSpace wrote:

The race is up.

http://www.runnerspace.com/eprofile.php?do=videos&pg=1&event_id=43&video_id=8920&folder_id=-2&offset=0#video

Thanks for the link.

I was not familiar with Jennings's running previously. MAN what a talent he must be--to run with such terrible mechanics and be so close to the win.

Did he always run that way? Bolt upright (usually = tilted pelvis), locked elbows, etc.? Amazing...

Yep, always ran that way. GREAT to see Gabriel back under 4 minutes. Next stop, 3:35 this season in the 1500.

What a long, strange trip its been, but he's great for the sport.

What I'd like to see on this board ar more posters who know what they are talking about. Posters like "Little Bo Peep"

have nothing to offer except childish bantor. First off, Galen Rupp is not a "suburban white kid". He grew up in an area near downtown Portland (not in the suburbs). Secondly, Rupp has always worked his butt off to squeeze the maximum out of his potential. There is no runner in America who trains harder than Galen. Thirdly, Galen has never been on a pro contract and his family has sacificed greatly on the hope that he will be able to achieve his goals. Now I'd like to know if anyone can answer this question: What American athlete (ever) has approached the 800 meter to 10K times that Galen has at age 22? And how many of runners of this quality have been Academic All-Americans, graduating with 3.91 GPA's?

I have to hand it to Rupp, this is great accomplishment. I still think he's ugly and can't stand him, but for today I'll give him his props.

I'm also excited Gabe showed up and ran well. I've always been a fan of his, so its nice to see him running at a high level again. Maybe he'll make the World Champs...maybe, but prob not.

I love peeps wrote:You don't get a medal for being on the team, and that kind of mentality is EVERYTHING that is wrong with the country, with this sport, and the people who participate in it. You don't get a medal for participation.

Actually he did idiot. US champs gives out medals. But you're right, i'm sure Rupp is at home crying because he's improving but isn't as fast as Bekele. We're celebrating improvement. You're just a f'tard.

adams state sub 29 club wrote:

I'm not sure who "i love peeps" is. I've never seen him post before. He isn't intelligent.

Your arguments are incoherent, jumbled, and fanatical. Yellow journalism award of the day.

Can you please, concisely (2 sentences, 3 max) tell me what your point is? I'll rebuttal if you can form a logical thought.

Congratulations to Rupp - fantastic run.

You don't know peeps? Consider yourself lucky. But you are 100% on the money. He's the biggest nutcase on this board, and that is saying a lot. He's one of those guys that goes back and forth between trolling and serious responses to the point where no one, including him (and I am serious about that) knows when he is acting up just for fun, or means what he says.

He doesn't have a point. On the other hand, IF one could piece together his ramblings, his points might be something like this:

1) "Fernandez is more talented than Rupp, suck it Rupp fans. "

My response would be: you're a little late to be jumping on the German bandwagon peeps. That train left the station awhile ago (anyone who wasn't on it after German ran his 4:00 1600 /8:34 3200 all-by-himself double within 2 hours last years as a 17 y.o. is verrrry late to the party. That double proved he was as talented as any US HS runner ever. ) And yes, of course German appears more talented than Rupp this point. But Rupp is pretty damn impressive too.

2) "Even if Rupp runs low 27's, he's a long way from beating the best africans." Again, this is old news, and obvious to say. Everyone knows the east africans are at a whole 'nother level.

3) "The REASON we can't compete with the best east africans is..." (now this is where it gets very muddled and cryptic) "...because in the US, we applaud mediocrity and we push the rich kids to do well but they don't have the guts to do well.....and we don't put up enough money to get the poor hungry kids excited about doing well..." or some such rubbish as that. I have nooo idea what he is talking about here. I don't think he does either. He talks about Europe putting up the big money meets, and that if they can do it, we can, but who actually takes home most of that money from those meets? The east african distance runners and west african descended sprinters. How are the europeans doing in the distance races?? Not very well. So much for adopting the "european" way.

Or I could have just wrote: Peeps is nuts, ignore him.

I believe Josh McDougal, had he been healthy all this time, could have run sub 27:45 at least. I think he just ran a stupid race at Stanford when Rupp ran 27:33. McDougal placed himself immediately at the back of the pack like an idiot and never got to the front in time for the break.

FDFDFDFASDFD wrote:

I believe Josh McDougal, had he been healthy all this time, could have run sub 27:45 at least. I think he just ran a stupid race at Stanford when Rupp ran 27:33. McDougal placed himself immediately at the back of the pack like an idiot and never got to the front in time for the break.

Maybe, but Rupp was able to bridge 30 meter gaps in that race while they were on 27:45 pace. Fact is McDougal couldn't do it, and was never in it that day. McDougal is good, but he has been able to pick off Rupp only when Rupp is not 100% and he is. Any other way, (both off, both on, Rupp on, McDougal off) Rupp has owned him.

And Rupp is certainly better than his old 27:33 mark now, so the point in mute. I don't mean to slam McDougal, but the point was if anyone had his marks or range, at 22 years old, and McDougal doesn't. Who knows he may emerge again and go further than any.