Rupp to run Mile this weekend- predictions?

i actually have been a rabbit in a race for a sub 4 guy and i completely agree with you, there is a lot of pressure. My point was that Wheating is a top caliber athlete with enough discipline to be able to rabbit a sub 4 race. You made it sound as though his only experience in the 800 is when he uses his kick to win the race. Maybe i misunderstood your post, however, i think Wheating will be a sufficient rabbit (its not like he has never run a workout where he has to hit a certain pace.) Being a 800m runner myself, i know the difference between a 56 sec first lap and 58-59 sec first lap.

Looks like a decent field, some mentioned Wheating was the rabbit, though he's not listed here. More likely it's Achon or Chapa:

Section 3 Timed Finals

1 299 Achon, Julius Nike

2 300 Chapa, Joaquin Nike

3 60 Rupp, Galen Oregon

4 62 Acosta, A.J. Oregon

5 301 Rohatinsky, Josh Nike

6 32 Abbott, Austin Washington

7 163 Marpole-Bird, Justin Stanford

8 95 Patterson, Marlon UCLA

9 295 Garner, Eric Brooks Eastside

3:56.99

Prediction

Julius Achon will be the rabbit for 800 meters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Achon

Chapa will take a lap.

Then Rupp, Acosta, Rohatinsky et al will be on their own.

The big "O" sign from Rupp at the finish line. :-)

His 1:49 really suggests at least 3:57, probably more like 3:55 given his endurance, but I'll say 3:57.8.

DuckSoup wrote:

Looks like a decent field, some mentioned Wheating was the rabbit, though he's not listed here. More likely it's Achon or Chapa:

Section 3 Timed Finals

1 299 Achon, Julius Nike

2 300 Chapa, Joaquin Nike

3 60 Rupp, Galen Oregon

4 62 Acosta, A.J. Oregon

5 301 Rohatinsky, Josh Nike

6 32 Abbott, Austin Washington

7 163 Marpole-Bird, Justin Stanford

8 95 Patterson, Marlon UCLA

9 295 Garner, Eric Brooks Eastside

Small field with possibly two rabbits, plenty of room to run.

I see 58.X, 1:57.x (Rupp chompin at the bit), Rupp to take over through 3:56.x-3:57.0, 3:56.3.

Acosta 3:58.8

Rohat 3:59.8

Should have read:

William Hey Word wrote:

Rupp to take over through TWO:56.x-TWO:57.0, 3:56.3.

Acosta 3:58.8

Rohat 3:59.8

splitmeister wrote:

Looks like he moved to the outside of lane 1 when Ulrey caught him to offer the lead (unusual for him so obviously not feeling strong) and then resumed the inside when Ulrey didn't take over.

you say it is UNUSUAL for Rupp to give up the lead in the middle of a race? rupp has such a strong aversion to leading he almost tripped over Chelanga in terre haute at xc nationals, and Daba slowed to practically a jog to try to get Rupp to share the lead at Tyson. rupp trying to give up the lead in the middle of the trace is the norm, not unusual. he deserved to get beat by daba.

some runner wrote:

splitmeister wrote:

Looks like he moved to the outside of lane 1 when Ulrey caught him to offer the lead (unusual for him so obviously not feeling strong) and then resumed the inside when Ulrey didn't take over.

you say it is UNUSUAL for Rupp to give up the lead in the middle of a race? rupp has such a strong aversion to leading he almost tripped over Chelanga in terre haute at xc nationals, and Daba slowed to practically a jog to try to get Rupp to share the lead at Tyson. rupp trying to give up the lead in the middle of the trace is the norm, not unusual. he deserved to get beat by daba.

You do understand the difference between offering up the lead (when you're already the one leading) and taking the lead (when you are not already leading) right?

Most races I've seen, if Rupp goes into the lead he doesn't use the tactic of offering it up for help. Not saying that is good or bad, just not something he does. Some guys do it all the time, especially Kenyans and Ethiopians when they are worried the guy behind them is saving up for a kick.

Ohh, and shame on Rupp for not wanting to lead a guy with much more high level experience and PR's that are 9 seconds better over 3K and 25 seconds better over 5K. Yes, what a chicken. Rupp actually has a nice history of leading a lot and then getting taken for it at the end.

So Acosta's going for a mile qualifier.

What would the lineup be at NCAAs then? Wheating, Centro, maybe Acosta qualified for mile, Wheating for 800, Rupp 3K and 5K, Shadrack 3K, 5K, Puskedra 5K (won't get into 3K most likely) - so who does what and the DMR - a title is on the line!

Wheating 800, DMR (800)

Rupp 3K, 5K

Acosta mile, DMR (1200)

Centro mile, DMR (1600)

Biwott 5K, 3K

Puskedra 5K

Problem is all the DMR guys having heats earlier in the day (especially Acosta who may be lacking endurance since recently injured) - maybe put Cenro in 3K instead so he's fresh for that last leg...

over anal izer wrote:

So Acosta's going for a mile qualifier.

What would the lineup be at NCAAs then? Wheating, Centro, maybe Acosta qualified for mile, Wheating for 800, Rupp 3K and 5K, Shadrack 3K, 5K, Puskedra 5K (won't get into 3K most likely) - so who does what and the DMR - a title is on the line!

Wheating 800, DMR (800)

Rupp 3K, 5K

Acosta mile, DMR (1200)

Centro mile, DMR (1600)

Biwott 5K, 3K

Puskedra 5K

Problem is all the DMR guys having heats earlier in the day (especially Acosta who may be lacking endurance since recently injured) - maybe put Cenro in 3K instead so he's fresh for that last leg...

I've been wondering the same thing. I almost think you double all the guys (including Wheating) and give up the. DMR.

Centro is capable of big points in the mile and 3K. Wheating in the 800 and mile. Rupp in the 5K and 3K. Puskedra in the 5K. Shadrack should pick up points in the 5K and 3K. One option is Biwott 1200, McNamara 800 and Acosta 1600 on the DMR but that is really pushing Biwott. They could still have a shot for a top 5 finish and it allows Centro and Wheating to do some damage in their events.

That's probably the best way to do it. I selfishly wanted to see a super DMR race this year - Ulrey, Wheating/Centro on the final leg - but Oregon should sacrifice it to pick up more elsewhere. Then it may look like Ark, then everyone else fighting for 2nd.

Too bad Boylan-Pett hath no indoor eligibility and Bumbalough's been injured - Hoyas could've had a solid DMR squad too. Ulrey, Bumbalough, Centro or Wheating, Coe, Morse, Perry all dueling it out on the last leg would've been fun.

Not likely to be too fast, race is scheduled for 11:50 a.m. PST.

Sphincter Boy wrote:

Not likely to be too fast, race is scheduled for 11:50 a.m. PST.

??? Don't see why that time is bad for running fast.

hayward102 wrote:

Sphincter Boy wrote:

Not likely to be too fast, race is scheduled for 11:50 a.m. PST.

??? Don't see why that time is bad for running fast.

Agreed. Bekele ran his 26:25 earlier in the morning than that!

While it is sometimes more exciting or electric to race in the evening outdoors, I don't think it has much effect for indoors. And for a mile this is even less important. This is actually a nice time to race. Guys can get a good sleep but still have time to wake up get a shake out and a some breakfast. Have the body awake without sitting around all day waiting. This is more important for those going to NCAA's the following week.

Will somebody please be there with video and get this? I can't believe there wasn't one fool at Big 12's either with a handy cam or digi cam of German's mile. Not one person had a digi cam out and snapping a few shots, even for others in the field?! Ridic.

3:42.99!!!! NEW WR!!!

Rupp is probably having another tough week on training. Planning on running the mile. Thinks he can break 4 despite training through. "Just not the day," poor pacing, fear of taking the lead in a race, poor kick off fast pace. Take your pick on the excuse.

4:01

Has this ever happened before?

a little thing called history wrote:

Rupp is probably having another tough week on training. Planning on running the mile. Thinks he can break 4 despite training through. "Just not the day," poor pacing, fear of taking the lead in a race, poor kick off fast pace. Take your pick on the excuse.

4:01

Has this ever happened before?

Speaking of history, I remember Rupp hitting his highest week ever at the time (110) the week before going 14:17-13:58 for an AJR of 28:15, ran a large portion of that alone. This is a guy who trains through just about everything that isn't considered a National Championship, World Championship or Olympics. He had a big week when he went 27:33.

I seriously doubt he has been tapering each week of PR's this indoor season. If he can run 1:49 off of his regular mileage he'll be able to do the same for this mile. Bet on it.