Another Oregon update, as 4 Oregon guys broke 14 in the 5K tonight, all setting personal bests along with Rupp's PR yesterday, here is their 5K list of their top guys.
Rupp: 13:18
Kiptoo-Biwott: 13:41
Luke Puskedra: 13:46
AJ Acosta: 13:50
Scott Wall: 13:54
Kenny Klotz: 13:57
Diego Mercado: 13:57
Matt Centrowitz: 13:58
Curtis Suver: 14:03
Jordan McNamara: 14:05
Danny Mercado: 14:13
4xMile world record is 16:16 according to T&FN, but it doesn't look like this page has been updated in a while...
http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/archive/records/indoor/world.html
gimme.some.truth wrote:
How is a full mile different than a mile?
The same as being just a little bit pregnant.
I do run run run wrote:
Well let's see.....
Centrowitz: 3:57 mile
Wheating: 3:58 mile, 3:38 1500
Acosta: 3:58 mile, 3:40 1500
McNamara: 3:41 1500
Rupp: 4:01 mile, 3:43 1500
Kiptoo-Biwott: 3:43 1500, 4:01 mile
Scott Wall: 3:43 1500
JK Withers: 4:03 mile
Klotz: 4:04 mile
That looks like the personal best list for their top guys. Not sure if McNamara has actually run sub-4 in a mile, but has run 3:41, 3:42 multiple times in the 1500, and his personal 1500 best is 3:41.13
Also for Kiptoo-Biwott, he rarely runs 1500/mile, so not sure if he has actually run sub-4 either.
Didn't Kiptoo claim to have run 3:42 in Kenya (he is Kenyan, right?) wayyyy back in high school?
on the runs wrote:
gimme.some.truth wrote:How is a full mile different than a mile?
The same as being just a little bit pregnant.
Ah yes....every culture has a belief in its own exceptionalism. The US does it by pointing out its glaring stupidity e.g. "1600m = 1 imperial mile"
Just as they teach "intelligent design" and "pi = 3.00000"
....my god....
giffypop17 wrote:
Also, I believe that makes the Matt Centrowitzes the second father/son pair to go sub 4 after Darren Brown did it last spring.
This was Matt's first time under 4 technically, right?
Is Sam Bair Jr. running this indoor season? I haven't seen any results for him. Be a shame to give up after being close that many times but hard to continue on as a post-collegiate.
bair ran 1:49.77 two weeks ago at penn state...he will be running the 800 at the usatf indoors in boston...not sure if he'll be attempting a mile, but seems as if he's definitely in shape to run sub 4:00...
Thank to Peter Larsson
http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_4xmileok.htm#2
1 16:16.67 New York Athletic Club 1 Hanover 10.01.1993
Brad Horton (4:07.2) 29.07.65 USA
Jeff Smith (4:07.3) 27.02.66 USA
Brad Schlapak (4:02.8) 29.11.66 USA
Bill Burke (3:59.4) 15.10.69 USA
2 16:19.01 Villanova University 1 Hanover 17.01.1976
George MacKay (4:09.0) USA
Donald Paige (4:01.6) 13.10.56 USA
Mark Belger (4:05.3) 06.09.56 USA
Phil Kane (4:03.1) 05.03.55 USA
3 16:20.4 Philadelphia Pioneer Club 2 Hanover 17.01.1976
Julio Piazza (4:09.0) USA
Karl Thornton (4:03.2) 13.03.50 USA
Charlie Maguire (4:07.8) 25.08.52 USA
Greg Fredericks (4:00.4) 01.05.50 USA
4 16:24.4 New York Athletic Club 3 Hanover 17.01.1976
Pete Squires (4:08.9) USA
Ron Speirs (4:02.2) 18.05.52 GBR
Antonio Colon (4:02.2) 24.03.53 PUR
Ken Schappert (4:09.9) 03.02.52 USA
5 16:24.96 Westchester Puma TC 1 Hanover 11.01.1986
Todd Colas (4:09.4) USA
Bill Krohn (4:04.3) 09.03.58 USA
Charlie Bevier (4:05.3) 20.12.59 USA
Mike Wyatt (4:06.0) 10.01.56 USA
indoor list - oversized track
1 16:22.35 New York Athletic Club 1 01.01.1993
Brad Horton 29.07.65 USA
Jeff Smith 27.02.66 USA
Brad Schlapak 29.11.66 USA
Bill Burke 15.10.69 USA
Many thanks to Alan Sigmon who contributed with his compiled data for my website.
Irish Nat team outdoor 15:49.08
Was this at Tyson, and if so will it be on TV?
Ah, I wish it was still 1993.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_BillOff the Grid wrote:
Ah yes....every culture has a belief in its own exceptionalism. The US does it by pointing out its glaring stupidity e.g. "1600m = 1 imperial mile"
Just as they teach "intelligent design" and "pi = 3.00000"
....my god....
What do you reckon you have to run over 1500m to call yourself a sub 4 miler?
Not so much an issue in America where there are plenty of mile races but certainly in Europe there aren't anywhere near as many mile races and people almost exclusively race 1500.
Obviously 3:42 is meant to be a rough conversion but plenty have run 3:42 and not quite been able to edge under so I'd think maybe sub 3:40 for definite?
pretty sure the NCAA record in 4xmile is 16:04.54 by Michigan. Outdoor of course.
Off the Grid wrote:
on the runs wrote:The same as being just a little bit pregnant.
Ah yes....every culture has a belief in its own exceptionalism. The US does it by pointing out its glaring stupidity e.g. "1600m = 1 imperial mile"
Just as they teach "intelligent design" and "pi = 3.00000"
....my god....
You just made up that thing about an imperial mile. Invented it out of thin air. Perhaps you're showing your "glaring stupidity" in a bit of irony? So sophisticated!
I suppose none of the people who have pointed out the impossibility of a "full mile" went to American high schools, where in their own "glaring stupidity" they run quarter-lap, half-lap, 1-lap, and 2-lap races, but because of the USA's "belief in its own exceptionalism [sic]", they also run 4-lap races! Instead of the logical 3.75 laps! Or the logical 4.02 laps!
The comparison with intelligent design and pi=3.00000 is completely warranted here! You really hit the nail on the head!
...my god.....
The 1500m conversion for a 3:59.99 mile is 3:42.28...
...blow me....
Bo Diddley wrote:
Off the Grid wrote:Ah yes....every culture has a belief in its own exceptionalism. The US does it by pointing out its glaring stupidity e.g. "1600m = 1 imperial mile"
Just as they teach "intelligent design" and "pi = 3.00000"
....my god....
You just made up that thing about an imperial mile. Invented it out of thin air. Perhaps you're showing your "glaring stupidity" in a bit of irony? So sophisticated!
I suppose none of the people who have pointed out the impossibility of a "full mile" went to American high schools, where in their own "glaring stupidity" they run quarter-lap, half-lap, 1-lap, and 2-lap races, but because of the USA's "belief in its own exceptionalism [sic]", they also run 4-lap races! Instead of the logical 3.75 laps! Or the logical 4.02 laps!
The comparison with intelligent design and pi=3.00000 is completely warranted here! You really hit the nail on the head!
...my god.....
Bryn_R wrote:
What do you reckon you have to run over 1500m to call yourself a sub 4 miler?
Not so much an issue in America where there are plenty of mile races but certainly in Europe there aren't anywhere near as many mile races and people almost exclusively race 1500.
Obviously 3:42 is meant to be a rough conversion but plenty have run 3:42 and not quite been able to edge under so I'd think maybe sub 3:40 for definite?
I think it is up to individual conscience, but I know Pete Chourney ran under the conversion a number of times (I believe as fast as 3:38) but never actually broke 4 in a mile and refuses to ever let anybody call him a sub 4 minute miler. I tend to agree with that stance.
Agreed.
I'd like to see Bernard Lagat, Leo Manzano, Alan Webb, and German Fernandez make assault on the 4 x mile record at the beginning of summer when they're all in pretty top knotch shape. If they averaged 3:55, thats a 15:40 4 x mile. Break the WR by 36 seconds. If it has to be collegiate, go with Centrowitz, G. Fernandez, Ulrey, and Bumbalough. I'm sure they could do it. If they have to be from the same college, I bet Oregon, Arkansas, Texas, BYU, Oklahoma State, Georgetown, and a few others would make an excellent competitive field that would have a good shot at breaking it.
Why Centrowitz, G. Fernandez, Ulrey, and Bumbalough?
How about Fernandez, Ulrey, Wheating, and Acosta?
Just throwing names out.
Am I missing something here? The 4x1 mile relay record is 15:49.08, not 16:16.
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