NCAA s and Footlocker Finalists

give them a chance to develop wrote:

washedup wrote:

Several years back I was top 50 at nats. I never made FL and was a 4:20/9:20 guy in HS. Don't give up folks, Foot Locker and high school times mean nothing the day after graduation. Chase your dreams.

wwweb wrote:

I bet you ended up running about 29:35 on the track though. Sounds like you had a poor HS coach.

Or maybe, either by deliberate design or by dumb luck, he had a good high school program.

I did run around 29:30 on the track, I don't know what that really has to with the quality of my HS program, I would rate it as good.

In HS there are too many variables--opportunity (small school/small state phenomena), physical development, mental/emotional development (look at how many HS kids run like idiots), among others. At the end of the day the correlation between FL, NCAAs, and post-collegiate success, is attenuated, being good at one stage only slightly increases the likelihood that you will succeed at the next. All FL really tells us is who the best HS kids are in a given year.

2006 NCAAs McDougal and Shadrack-Kiptoo from 2003 FL Galen Rupp also from 2003

I can honestly say i doubt everybody on this thread has ran at NCAA's or even ran in the top 7 of top d1 program. so get real people, for everything that Justin has gone through off the track i consider it a success for him to be running in the top 7 of a top d1 program. Get real people lets not make fools of ourselves by degrading other people when first off you dont know shit about them, and probably dont know what its like to train and race well when your trying to make it through school. I think people forget these or 18-22 year old kids trying to balance a shit ton of things in every aspect in life. And so that could be areason why its hard to continue to improve in college.

golden harper of utah was 10th at footlocker his senior year and then lost his groove. never was all american. ran at byu for a bit, but never went anywhere. now runs at the jc level.

so thats just one example of a bomb.

second is nurani sheik. he ran at nau, louisville, and who knows where else. 4th at footlocker in 01. as far as i know quit is junior year of college

kprunner wrote:

golden harper of utah was 10th at footlocker his senior year and then lost his groove. never was all american. ran at byu for a bit, but never went anywhere. now runs at the jc level.

so thats just one example of a bomb.

second is nurani sheik. he ran at nau, louisville, and who knows where else. 4th at footlocker in 01. as far as i know quit is junior year of college

and what have you done?

The difference between 4:20/9:20 and 4:15/9:00 is pretty much zero. Maybe the faster guy just had a better race day. Maybe he ran 70 mpw instead of 60. Maybe he was 4 months older. And so on.As far as peaking in HS, is it so bad? If your going to be world class sure, but if the fastest 5k you can every run is 15:30, I would rather do it in HS than in college.

washedup wrote:

give them a chance to develop wrote:

Or maybe, either by deliberate design or by dumb luck, he had a good high school program.

I did run around 29:30 on the track, I don't know what that really has to with the quality of my HS program, I would rate it as good.

In HS there are too many variables--opportunity (small school/small state phenomena), physical development, mental/emotional development (look at how many HS kids run like idiots), among others. At the end of the day the correlation between FL, NCAAs, and post-collegiate success, is attenuated, being good at one stage only slightly increases the likelihood that you will succeed at the next. All FL really tells us is who the best HS kids are in a given year.

Good luck with remedial English at your junior college.

pmihnery48 wrote:

I can honestly say i doubt everybody on this thread has ran at NCAA's or even ran in the top 7 of top d1 program. so get real people, for everything that Justin has gone through off the track i consider it a success for him to be running in the top 7 of a top d1 program. Get real people lets not make fools of ourselves by degrading other people when first off you dont know shit about them, and probably dont know what its like to train and race well when your trying to make it through school. I think people forget these or 18-22 year old kids trying to balance a shit ton of things in every aspect in life. And so that could be areason why its hard to continue to improve in college.

OR wrote:

The difference between 4:20/9:20 and 4:15/9:00 is pretty much zero. Maybe the faster guy just had a better race day. Maybe he ran 70 mpw instead of 60. Maybe he was 4 months older. And so on.

I am not quite sure what point you are trying to make.

First I would say that there is a big f***in difference between 9:00 and 9:20, a real big f***in difference.

Secondly, I would agree with the second part of your statement. Age, experience, training, etc. factor in at every level but those variables are especially pronounced at the HS level, which is why FL means SHIT except who is the fastest in HS. Look at the order of finish of our distance runners in the Olympics and try to discern a pattern from FL results, not possible.

Yea u got that right he DNF in 07 the kid has no guts he still thinks hes running in highschool where he is going to blow away the competition and the realization that this is not going to happen is killing his performance. Hes not even a scorer on there top 7 yet he is on perhaps the most money. wow thats crazy isnt it the kid needs to get out of the NCAA from Oregon to FSU and nothing has changed

FSU GUY wrote:

Yea u got that right he DNF in 07 the kid has no guts he still thinks hes running in highschool where he is going to blow away the competition and the realization that this is not going to happen is killing his performance. Hes not even a scorer on there top 7 yet he is on perhaps the most money. wow thats crazy isnt it the kid needs to get out of the NCAA from Oregon to FSU and nothing has changed

you need to use more punctuation