The other thing I'd add is unlike D1, where the XC guys are going to run the 5k or 10k exclusively in track, a lot of top D3 cross runners are milers or 800m runners in the spring.
I ran at XC nationals twice, was our 3rd guy one year and 5th guy another, and never ran more than 1500m in track. I could easily break 15:30, but you can't find track results that could back that up.
A team I was on a few years back went to DIII Nationals. We weren't a great team, but we were pretty solid, finished around the middle of the field.
If I recall correctly, our team went 14:57, 15:11, 15:20, 15:28, 15:31 in indoors. Several of these guys didn't run 5k outdoors, but the ones that did stayed about the same as indoors. We had 9 guys between 15:30 and 15:50 during the XC season, but only 4 of us went under 15:30 at any point.
A 15:30 type 5ker would score on all but the best DIII teams in the country. That guy could be a ~25:50 guy in XC, and may also be a 3:55 or a 31:40 on the track(both examples from the team listed above).
My team last year had 5 go sub 15:30 and I'd guess 8-9 capable of going under and didn't make nationals. Of course our region is ridiculous, and we would have made it from any other region.
keene state has three kids under 15:00 for 5k that returned from last year, along with a whole slew of kids ranging from 15:15- 15:30 and they didnt even make dIII nats
ha11 wrote:
2007 cross season would correspond to the 2008 indoor/outdoor track season. How about showing 5 runners from Emory that run under 15:30 in 2008.
Proof is in the previous post by me. There were numerous teams that ran at nationals who then did not have 5 runners in the track season that followed break 15:30.
Just face the facts. I'm not insulting anyone it's just how things are.
Okay ... here you go:
charlie meade, 14:53
tommy fyffe, 15:03
paul winterhalter, 15:11 (indoors)
jeff roland, 15:15
mike rothbart, 15:24
not counting vikram srivastava, who didn't run track in 2008.
guygonemad wrote:
This not news worthy!
Turning down "Baby Nationals" is no big deal! Here in Chicago you will find harder competition at the local road races. Please, in the future don't use word "Nationals" without Division three followed bt it. You get it? Other words it is very misleading! I thought it was the "Big Dance" you writing about. Shit Fire save the matches! This is small peanuts!
Until you qualify for either of these things, please refrain from dissing those of us (D3) who can walk and chew said peanuts at the same time.
If we wanted frats and doping, we would have gone to DI to run in the "Big-boy Nationals".
(apologies to the honorable DIers here. my gripes are solely for mr. machismo)
cicero is overrated.
this is a really stupid thread. it basically comes down to the fact that this kid put other people before himself and you guys are turning it into something to scrutinize.
when i was in college (i went to a d3 school), making it to nationals was a really big deal. now (~3 years later), i look fondly on those memories, but i realize that college running is more than making it to some big race. if you people don't agree with me on that, then i feel bad for you.
guess he is a sub 15:30 guy.
Henry Reich
3000 Meters
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Is there a rule against attaching a helium balloon to yourself while running a road race?
How rare is it to run a sub 5 minute mile AND bench press 225?
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Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
Move over Mark Coogan, Rojo and John Kellogg share their 3 favorite mile workouts
Mark Coogan says that if you could only do 3 workouts as a 1500m runner you should do these