I thought Richard Nerurkar, who was helping train Haile Gebrselassie in Ethiopia, mentioned he split Bekele finish a workout in 47-point, hand-timed, in Addis Ababa...
I thought Richard Nerurkar, who was helping train Haile Gebrselassie in Ethiopia, mentioned he split Bekele finish a workout in 47-point, hand-timed, in Addis Ababa...
i'm quite sure bekele could run sub 49 without a problem, but i really don't care what he can run in the open 4. because his fitness level is so high he is able to use his speed at the end of a race better than any other athlete on the planet and that is what makes the difference.
satch would estimate Bekele could run, with some speed training, a 22.6 200 which translates to a 48.5 400m in a runner with great endurance .Just a guess as to his 200 time, could be a lot faster.Has he ever run a serious 800?
dumb wrote:
How much could he bench press?
I say he could throw up 200 lbs
There was an interview with Geb, and it said that he could bench 180 pounds.
As for how fast could Bekele run... He finished his 10k world record with a 100m of close to 11 flat. Combined with his endurance, that puts at least at 48 if not faster. For goodness sake, it's not that impossible. Edwin Soi has run 21/22 second 200m dashes as a 5k specialist.
Bekele could without doubt run close to 47 and probably under. His 1500 time (which he ran in 2007) is 3:32. To be able to run a sub 53 at the end of any race you know he's got to be running sub 50 in workouts at the end of a hard interval session. I knew a 4:01 miler in college that clocked a barely sub 48 and Bekele could burn him any day of the week at any distance. To think that the local high school 400 star could out run Bekele is laughable.
C'mon ... get freakin reel. The guy runs contestent 53's at the end
of ether the 5 or 10 ks. Ther is no dobt that he cold easly put
two of thos togethr. Ya thank?!?
Otay ... so yuz agree wit me. The Bekeler can run 1:46. You argue
or dobt that? Wut ar you a Track Coach or sumpin?
It is docmented (yer no gona find da docmnetation thogh) ... that
the Man runed 44.7 to yars ago off da bodum end of a ladr.
Yuz that thank he only kan run like 50 segunds or 47 segunds
beder go for a revival of yer gray madder cuz yuz doon no
wut yer takin aboot.
Goucher couldn't run 47 in the 400 off a damn cliff.
I saw an African distance runner split 48 in a relay after already running the 3000 the day before and a 14:30 5k earlier in the day. Given the fact that Bekele has run his last 100m of a 10k in 11.0 (running start, but who cares), I'm sure he could run low 47s at the slowest. I think Bekele is one of those guys that has really good sprint speed and endurance, but not very good speed endurance relative to his two other strengths mentioned. That is why he's "only" run 3:33.
Interesting question. To produce that kick and that 1500 meter time he could be as fast as 45 and no slower than 47 and change.
Yes and Bekele can run 61's for ~12 laps and still close in low 5x.xx he also can run 7:2x 3k's.... have you seen Wariner he isnt all that big... the 10k isnt bekele primary event, I dont see where you got that from... him and el g were neck and neck to the line in Athens, this alone justifies that he can probably run around 47 flat since el g ran low 46's 45.9x for the 400m I believe (as well as tt a 1:42.xx 800)
aerooooo wrote:
and malmo why do guys with blazing speed have no kick at all? what do you attribute that their lack of kick? Poor training? lack of killer instinct at the end of a race?
Just curious....
How good your kick is isn't dependent on how fast your top speed is, it's dependent on how close to your top speed you can run after having covered 700, 1400, 4900, or 9900 meters at a fast pace. A guy who can run 26 seconds flat out for 200 meters, but at the end of a 5k can still run 90% of that speed is going to outkick the guy who can run 24 seconds flat out but can only achieve 75% of that speed at the end of a 5k.
I'm one of these guys myself, and I'll tell you, nothing feels better than blowing by guys who I know have much faster short PRs than me. I think I've officially been promoted to the worst sprinter on my distance team now that another guy graduated, and yet I consistently have one of the better kicks. Geb and Bekele are the same way, except of course they would have lapped me a couple of times before I even got the chance to kick :)
gunnerx wrote:
you guys are all morons
bekele ran the last mile of a 5k in under 4 minutes
if you think he can only run 50.xx then you dont know a thing about running.
yes he is tired after 11.5 laps of running hard but to be able to run the 3rd mile of a 5k under 4 mins with a "flying start" still requires considerable speed and strength
which makes him better than webb
and webb can run 46-47 sec 400m
which means bekele can AT LEAST run that fast, if not faster
I know an awful lot about running. And I will put a lot of money on Bekele's best 400m being right around 50.0, plus or minus a few tenths.
You've got to appreciate how phenomenally good his stamina is. Gebrselassie was good for 49.9h in his prime, and you'll find that these top Ethiopian distance runners can usually close the last 200m of a medium paced 5000m or 10000m in roughly their open 400m speed. Thus, when Geb or Bekele closes in 25.x, it's representative of their 400m ability. Similarly, Defar and Dibaba have run their final 200s in 27.x, and they're likely good for 54-55sec.
Throwing in my opinion here. I do believe that the Ehtiopians have a larger component of fast twitch fibers - but they can get away with in the terms of long distance running because of their very light body/built for distance running, long-time-adaption to high altitude and to some extent training.
An almost all slow twitch distance runner, like most non-Africans probably are, cannot finish like that on top of that very fast average time (like Dibaba does as well).
But with the combination of slightly more explosive muscle types on a small frame AND the ideal long-term adaption to high altitude AND good training guys like Bekele can finish like that. My guess for all-out Bekele 400 ; approx 48 secs. You can generally add 2-3 secs to the last 400 in a race 30 sec slower than a 5k PR (for Bekele 13.10-15) and he does those in 50-51 when going all-out.
Marius Bakken
42.5!!!!!!!!!!!
Pick up a book. Throw it across the room. When it rebounds and hits you in the head maybe you all will learn something...:)
I'm guessing barely sub :50.
Kick at the end of a 1500m, 5k, 10k, etc, has absolutely jack shit to do with speed. It's all about endurance.
How many people can run a 60 second 400m? Hundreds of thousands? 2:00 800m? Thousands? 3:30 1200m? Hundreds? 4:00 mile? A few hundred?
Go to your local gym. I bet you can find quite a number of guys who can dust you in a 50m or 100m dash. Maybe a couple will get you in the 400m, but after that you'll destroy them.
ENDURANCE allows a runner with :50 400m speed close a 10k in :52. SPEED allows the sub :50 400m runner to NOT close a 10k in :52. You got it? It's simply a difference in energy systems. In fact Bekele or any other long trained distance runner likely had more SPEED early in their training life, say late teen, and have since lost that ability due to the training they need for the race they are running.
Alan
Anyone saying sub 48 should consider that if Bekele could run sub 48, he would be running about 1:42 and 3:24 for 800m and 1500m. Hr is probably around 49.5
We've got about 40 people posting on this. If we each put in $10 and wejo and rojo buck up another $100, that gives us $500. Once the European season is over, maybe we could offer Bekele $500, yes 5 HUNDRED dollars to run a 400m time trial in a location central to letsrun.com readers (maybe Chicago or something). Where else is he going to pick up $500 in the off-season?
ultra wrote:
We've got about 40 people posting on this. If we each put in $10 and wejo and rojo buck up another $100, that gives us $500. Once the European season is over, maybe we could offer Bekele $500, yes 5 HUNDRED dollars to run a 400m time trial in a location central to letsrun.com readers (maybe Chicago or something). Where else is he going to pick up $500 in the off-season?
Considering he makes around $30-50,000 to start most races, I can't see why he wouldn't accept.
500 wouldn't even cover the cost of the flight. Try again.
Uh, guys...he was joking about the $500.
Then make it live via webcam in addis...who would turn down 500$ to run a lap all out?
plus, he could make it part of a workout.